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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:19 pm 
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I am off to Toronto for a quick trip and wanted to see if there are any recommendations. I searched and didn't come up with much.


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There's a world class chef in Toronto named Susser Lee. He had two places last time I was there. "Susser" served a backwards degustation (heavier to light) because he reasons you're hungrier @ the beginning of your meal than @ the end. He also serves different menus for all having it. I've only tested the theory with two people though. So if there are two in your party and it's 12 courses, they're both completely different and you get an amazing 24 items to share. The other is his more cafe like place called "Lee" which I found very good but not extraordinary. As I said, world class.

Toronto is a great eating/walking town. Reminds me of Chicago both culturally and architecturally. Don't miss Queen St., Chinatown or Kensington Market.

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Toronto is a great eating/walking town. Reminds me of Chicago both culturally and architecturally. Don't miss Queen St., Chinatown or Kensington Market.


From Queen St., head north on Spadina St. and walk north toward Bloor St, and you will hit most of Chinatown. They have some great Chinese bakeries along that route.

There is another market area just west of Spadina that is grittier and a bit more interesting than Kensington (which also is a must-see). I have had some of the best Caribbean jerk and meat pies that I have ever had. I wish that I could give you names and specifics but it has been a few years.

Unfortunately, back in the days when I had time to explore Toronto, my budget forced me to eat many of my meals at small lunch counters in drugstores around the University of Toronto. At that time, you could get a hot breakfast for under $1.50.

Shop around for air fares. Generally, there have been some GREAT airfares MDW-BUF ($138 RT on Southwest) or ORD-YYZ ($208 RT on American) which have surfaced in the last week or two. Megabus services the route between the Buffalo airport and DT Toronto.


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Jazzfood wrote:
There's a world class chef in Toronto named Susser Lee. He had two places last time I was there. "Susser" served a backwards degustation (heavier to light) because he reasons you're hungrier @ the beginning of your meal than @ the end. He also serves different menus for all having it. I've only tested the theory with two people though. So if there are two in your party and it's 12 courses, they're both completely different and you get an amazing 24 items to share. The other is his more cafe like place called "Lee" which I found very good but not extraordinary. As I said, world class.


Since Susur packed his bags and moved to NY, I believe his high-end namesake restaurant is now shuttered in TO. Lee, however, remains open. I wouldn't recommend going out of your way to make it to Lee.

If you want high end, definitely try Splendido. David Lee is probably one of the top chefs in town right now. For really good dim sum, try Lai Toh Heen (just Google for the location). It's the newer sister restaurant to the famous Lai Wah Heen in downtown TO.

Rol San in Chinatown is another decent dim sum place which is probably 1/4 the price of Lai Toh Heen, but the service there can be downright rude at times.


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I'd heard he was doing a NY place but didn't realize that meant he was done in Toronto.

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Now called Madeline's. Lee still apparently involved.


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There are so many good restaurants it would be hard to recommend one unless you can give more information about what you like and are looking for. Check out these two websites for some good info.
http://www.toronto.com
http://www.torontolife.com
Splendido is very good. Tapas - try Cava: wine bar and food - Jamie Kennedy's Wine Bar
The best Chinese food is actually in the suburbs north of Toronto in Richmond Hill - lots of Hong Kong influence and not what you might expect from Chinese food.
Globe restaurant is also good.


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I agree with the general consensus on Susur Lee's @ 601 King Street West ... (sharing is key to the experience but we got sent on our merry way three seconds after the last forks hit the dessert plates - the 'next sitting' standing-in-wait was in well in tow NOTE: be on time & go to the washroom before you arrive - no time for any breaks here - their timing is very exceedingly fine tuned! The food was really good but everyone appreciates digestion time - maybe the last seating is when to go - I don't know - I've not gone back in over a year.)

If anyone is in Toronto again - you might like to try The Foxley on east side of Ossington (near Dundas just north of Queen West) ... get there a few minutes before 6pm and you'll get a seat - anytime afterwards there's a line ... it is known for its ribs (refined asianfusion-ish food) ... there's a really worthwhile authentic pizzaria a few doors north too - closer to Dundas on the east street (quite noisy but somehow it fades into the background once you're seated - the pizza is amazing) - again lineups.

Rhino on Queen West West is an unfancy 'neighbourhood' bar with a dining area at the back that serves basic organic steak & frites at a reasonable price ($22 for steak & frites w wine).

This is my first posting - I'm grateful for finding this site ... am heading to Ft Myers to holiday with my folks tomorrow and got a great list of places in this area to eat at on the Ft Myers forum (have to laugh at everyone elses comments re so few & far between - we've been searching for places now for about 5 years).
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Also, Toronto has Portuguese food, which sadly is impossible to come by in Chicago.


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Fab Portugese resto:

http://www.chiadorestaurant.ca/

Superb food, great wines, reachable by trolley along College.

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I was in the Toronto area recently and had two good meals in the Mississauga area.

Barb's Roti Shop (Trinidadian)
This was a definitely hole in the wall with no seating at all, but great food and cheap. The star was the doubles which is mashed curry chick peas between two pieces of fried flatbread. It was spicy and delicious. Also the chicken roti was good. It's basically a burrito with curry filling and spongy flat bread instead of a tortilla as a wrapping. Definitely a good spot to hit for an on-the-go meal near the airport.

Grand Chinese Cuisine (Dim Sum)
Went here for Dim Sum Sunday morning and it was terrific. It's located in the Doubletree only a mile or so from the airport. The restaurant was serene and upscale, though reasonably priced for sure. The Dim Sum was extremely high quality and impressive. Some standouts included the fried lobster rolls and the cuttlefish mousse cakes, though everything was top notch. We were in a hurry to eat and head to the airport, and we couldn't have been happier with this place as a last meal before leaving Toronto option.


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Recently, RAB and I spent a lovely weekend in Toronto. The forecast called for nothing but rain - - but we were greeted with three days of sunshine and friendly smiles. Toronto, where neither of us had been for 20 years, is a wonderful walking town with some great food. At just an hour flight time, I highly recommend Toronto for a weekend trip.

After dropping our luggage at the spacious, classy, centrally-located, ridiculously-reasonable-on-Orbitz Cosmopolitan Hotel, we walked to the nearby St. Lawrence Market area, where Buskerfest (a festival spotlighting street performers) was taking place just outside of the Market building. I'd read some good things about peameal bacon sandwiches and thus visited Poddington's to try their version. Peameal bacon is Canadian bacon with a cornmeal coating. The sandwich, topped with condiments better suited to a hot dog, was pretty bland and not something I'd seek out again. RAB, on the other hand, did better. He went and purchased two kinds of hot crispy bacon (loin, and belly) from a meat vendor and a fresh onion roll from a bakery. His sandwich, without the toppings, was about half the price of mine, and way, way better.

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The St. Lawrence Market is a two-level food market with all the usual - - bakeries, meat, fruit, specialty shops, etc. It's similar to Philly's Reading Terminal Market, but perhaps not quite as wonderful.

That night, we went to Union, a small, neighborhood restaurant focused on using the best of what's local. They've been open just a few months. We chose to sit at the bar overlooking the tiny kitchen where we got a preview of several dishes before we ordered. We were there at the beginning of dinner service, and the room quickly filled - - so it was exciting to watch the speedy dance as the small kitchen strove to churn out their well-executed fare. The menu is quite limited, with only a handful of appetizers and a few mains on offer.

To start, we shared the rabbit terrine and the summer salad. The rabbit terrine was RAB's favorite bite of the weekend. It was light and airy, with a wonderfully herby rabbit flavor. The summer salad was simply dressed and featured tangy, local goat cheese, house-smoked bacon, and rosti (julienned fried potatoes).

For mains, RAB ordered the steak hache, and I went with the sticky ribs. Both were good, but neither amazed. RAB's dish featured a hamburger over string beans topped with a scallop and pork belly. The highlight of the dish was the well-seasoned hamburger - - the toppings were unnecessary and made the dish too busy for our tastes. Though steak hache sounds nifty, it would have been better on a bun as a hamburger. The ribs were braised in a tangy saucy, with just the right amount of sweetness. The dish included some crispy pork belly and nicely cooked vegetables. Each main comes with either fries or crushed potatoes with yogurt, radishes, and chives. We tried both, and both were outstanding.

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Because we'd gotten up at 5am to make our flight, we skipped desert and also skipped our visit to Swirl Wine Bar, a new kitchen-free restaurant featuring food in jars, such as pork rillettes. I was a bit sad that Swirl wasn't open during the rest of our short visit. I mention it, because it seems like the kind of place an LTHer might like to visit on a trip to Toronto.

On our second day, we enjoyed dim sum at Lai Wah Heen in the Metropolitan, an upscale Chinese restaurant that others have posted about. Rather than select one of the fixed price menus, we ordered a la carte and had a wonderful meal, probably the best dim sum I've ever had. One of the dishes, "steamed crystal purse with five-spice shredded duckling and heart of garlic" is the best single bite of dim sum I've ever eaten.

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For anyone who visits, in addition to the duck dumpling, I'd happily order again:
> Hot and sour soup with baby shrimp and shredded chicken
> Shredded Pekin duck and enoki mushrooms in thick soup
> Steamed lobster dumpling stuffed with shrimp and vegetables
> Deep fried roll of seafood medley in spicy Malaysian sauce
> Diced BBQ and mushroom in rice roll served with sweet soy sauce

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That night, we went to the Jamie Kennedy Wine Bar for a snack. They feature locally-focused small plates on an ever-changing menu. We sat at one of the bars, admiring a wall of jars. They claimed to use the jars "all the time," but we didn't buy it - - they were exposed to too much light and heat, being right above the stove and grill. In fact, when we got up close, we noticed some cobwebs on and between the jars. They really seem all for show.

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We didn't order much, but what we did order was good. Plus, it was nice to get to pair 3 ounce portions of wine with the dishes, rather than ordering full glasses that might not have gone with more than one dish.

We especially enjoyed the local organic fries as a pork bolognese poutine. Great crispy hot fries with a sloppy joe-like topping. Yum. The charcuterie plate was well executed and featured a prune and walnut terrine, pork rillettes, and a chicken liver pate. The pate and rillettes were wonderful, the terrine too pruney and nutty. Finally, we enjoyed hot smoked lake trout with fennel and onion salad -- a great combo and a nice light dish.

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On our last day, we'd originally planned on a fancy lunch, but walking down Spadina St. the day before, we decided an Asian lunch crawl was in order. We started at Pho Hung, where RAB had pho and I had grilled pork and a spring roll over vermicelli. Have to say it, both were better than anything I've had in Chicago. Too many times, the pho broth is too punchy and unbalanced for me with clove and star anise in staring roles. At Pho Hung, the broth was flavorful and well-rounded, with many subtle notes coming together nicely. The beef, too, was delicious and tender. My pork dish was also great, with the hot, crispy spring roll and wonderfully-charred pork. I ate it all, despite the fact that we'd planned on this being only round one of an ambitious multi-restaurant lunch.

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Next, we went to the Dumpling House Restaurant. Dumplings are made by hand in the window. $6 for 12 dumplings - - you choose three kinds. We tried pork with sour cabbage, lamb, shrimp with pork. We went with steamed, rather than fried - - but steamed turned out to be boiled. They were still very good, served with a very interesting, crunchy, sambal-like hot sauce. We ate every one of the dumplings, but agreed that the pork with sour cabbage were the best.

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Finally, we stopped at Banh Mi Nguyen Huong for a pork banh mi. Despite the huge bar of ingredients and massive crowds, I didn't love the banh mi. I was full enough to give it a pass. I would go elsewhere for banh mi next time.

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There are three places I wanted to mention where we didn't take photos. We tried coffee and pastries at Petit Thuet, a downtown French cafe. What we had was wonderful, especially the drip coffee, and everything looked amazing - - pastries, prepared food, charcuterie. We also walked over to the Mill St. Brewing Company, which is located in the Distillery District, a very cool, old, repurposed distillery complex filled with Victorian industrial architecture, restaurants, and art galleries. Mill St. serves an excellent, very hoppy pilsner. And, finally, right before heading to the airport, we had a drink (or two) at Beerbistro, a downtown bar/restaurant featuring local microbrews and stellar service.

Ronna


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REB wrote:
Recently, RAB and I spent a lovely weekend in Toronto.

Terrific post, makes me want to revisit Toronto pronto.

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G Wiv wrote:
Terrific post, makes me want to revisit Toronto pronto.


<groan> :roll: :wink: :P

REB'n'RAB - nice post. I'm particularly happy that you were able to spend some time in Chinatown, which I find doesn't get mentioned as much as it should (along with outer burbs like Mississauga, Scarborough, etc). I have fallen out of touch with Chinese in Toronto (my home-turf) but have plans to rectify that over the course of the next several months. Thanks for sharing your trip.


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Ahhhh Toronto...just went two weeks ago...actually drove..only about eight hours...

Amazing Chinese and Vietnamese food....and there is nothing like Kensington Market in Chicago...reminds me of Camden Town in London...what a trip..

Very sexy, stylish people too...a highly eclectic, sophisticated city, and well worth numerous trips to explore it all


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Going to Toronto next week for a couple days! Will be staying near Markham but plan on hanging out in Richmond Hill and downtown Toronto. Haven't been since I was a little girl so I'm really looking forward to eating lots of Chinese food! For some reason I strongly remember their vast selection of tasty beef jerky lol

Dim Sum! Lai Wah Heen keeps popping up so I guess I have to give that place a try. Maybe also a more casual one for another day? Ambassador Chinese Cuisine? Ding Tai Fung Shanghai Dim Sum?

I remember watching in the windows as chefs would pull noodles for noodle soups. The noodles resembled chow fun noodles but weren't cut as wide, and I got them with cuttlefish balls and shrimp balls (homemade I think) in clear broth. I think it was in a mall (not the Pacific Mall) but I can't remember where...I want to have that bowl of noodle soup!

Does anyone have a recommendation for a great seafood Chinese dinner? I want lobster with yee-mein (sp?), abalone, etc.

Is there any non-Chinese restaurant that I need to visit? I've been researching "best of Toronto" places, but there are so many so if anyone feels strongly about one, I would really appreciate it! Maybe new American, a little upscale, good place for a date, around $100 for two? Open to any cuisine though. Is Nota Bene good? I think it's a sister restaurant to Splendido?

Thanks so much for any help!


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If the weather is nice, you could have a lovely stroll through Baldwin Street Village (just south of UT), which has some great bar terraces, several excellent restos, and: one of the best Chinese bakeries I've ever been to. Really a fine strolling neighborhood.


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You must've just been to Jamie Kennedy Wine Bar (JKWB) in time, they closed in October or so. It was fantastic eating there at the chef's bar though... :( ... He has two other restaurants, I think the newest is Gilead Cafe & Bistro, which gets pretty rave reviews. Then there's also a cafe at the Gardiner museum. JKWB itself was bought by some chef-foodie-investors and has or is being reinvented as something else though


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Had a great weekend in Toronto! On our way to Canada, we stopped at Zingerman's in Ann Arbor. While I thoroughly enjoyed the corned beef and pastrami sandwiches as well as the charming atmosphere, I think that $28 for two sandwiches (the small size) is a little much. I'm glad I got to try it though, and now I can say I've been there. The gelato wasn't good. Way too liquidy. Skip it.
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J.J.'s Pastrami Special.
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Jon &amp; Amy's Double Dip.

Saturday night we had dinner at Nota Bene, a contemporary American restaurant in downtown Toronto. Parking lot across the street from the restaurant. I loved the atmosphere (space is modern and people are dressed upscale casual but aren't pretentious or stuffy) and the service was formal but friendly. The food looked and tasted great. BYO sans corkage fee after 9pm. The total for two appetizers, two entrees, two desserts, and two chocolates before tip was $125. Well worth the money! After dinner, stroll around downtown and enjoy the night.
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Softshell crab.
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Scallops.

Sunday we went to Ding Tai Fung Shanghai Dim Sum in Markham, Ontario. The xiao long bao were SO MUCH BETTER than Chicago's. We ordered ours filled with pork, crab, and dried scallop. So good. My favorite were the steamed open dumplings filled with sticky rice and pork. If you go, you must try these! The pan fried dumplings with minced beef and Chinese leeks were also delicious. The Shanghai noodle stir fry with pork and cabbage was also tasty. I think the noodles were housemade. This and Nota Bene were my favorite meals of the trip!
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Steamed dumpling filled with sticky rice and pork.
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Xiao long bao.
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Pan fried flat dumpling with minced beef and Chinese leeks.

Dinner Sunday was at Guu Izakaya. The lively atmosphere was the highlight. The servers warmly (and loudly) greeted each customer who came in so there was continual Japanese yelling throughout our dinner. The food was good, but nothing mind-blowing. My favorite bite was the roasted green tea cheesecake we ordered for dessert. Dinner which included a sangria-sake cocktail, beer, and large hot sake came to $90 before tip. Very reasonable. Definitely a fun experience!
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Roasted green tea cheesecake.
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Takoyaki.

Monday we had Cantonese dim sum at Ambassador Chinese Cuisine in Richmond Hill. Everything was freshly made and well-executed. The fried dishes weren't greasy.The steamed dishes weren't mushy. Everything was fantastic. Large, spacious, clean. The servers spoke English and were very friendly.
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Chinese fried dough wrapped in rice noodle with dried shrimp and scallion.
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Steamed rice noodle with shrimp.
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Steamed squid in XO sauce.

Monday night we explored Korea Town. Much cooler than Chicago's. We had dinner at Buk Chang Dong Soon Tofu. The menu is very focused (i.e. small), but they're known for their tofu stew dishes. The seafood tofu stew was so satisfying and incredibly cheap. $8. My dolsot bibimbap was $7. Also very good. They only give you four panchan, but like Cho Sun Ok, it's quality over quantity. Cheapest meal on our trip. If I lived in Toronto, I'd probably be a regular lol
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Dolsot bibimbap.
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Kimchi.

We stayed in Richmond Hill so Ding Tai Fung and Ambassador Chinese Cuisine were only a few minutes away. The drive to downtown Toronto was less than 30 minutes so definitely manageable. I miss Chinese food already…

Nota Bene
180 Queen Street West
Toronto, Ontario
416.977.6400

Ding Tai Fung Shanghai Dim Sum
3235 Highway 7 East
Markham, Ontario
905.943.9880

Guu Izakaya
398 Church Street
Toronto, Ontario
416.977.0999

Ambassador Chinese Cuisine
280 West Beaver Creek Road
Richmond Hill, Ontario
905.731.5570

Buk Chang Dong Soon Tofu
691 Bloor Street West
Toronto, Ontario
416.537.0972


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Any good Mexican?


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There's no decent Mexican in Montréal, simply because there are so few Mexicans. (Salvadorans, Peruvians, etc. different story.) So far as I know, there aren't that many Mexicans in TO, either. But it's an interesting question...

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I was kidding!!


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Ah, good. I couldn't figure why YOU (= JeffB) were asking that question... now I know. Duh.
P.T. Barnum was right.

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I'm heading to Toronto in a couple of weeks. Other than spiffythrifty's recent experience, does anyone else have some recent recommendations? We're staying downtown in the "entertainment district", so anything close to that area would be much appreciated. Also, we're going to Markham for a business meeting, so we may have a lunch opportunity in tha area. Also planned is a side trip to Niagara on the Lake for one night (and the falls).

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We spent a day in Toronto during a recent trip to Buffalo. We had a mid-afternoon snack at Ding Tai Fung. We ordered the crab & pork and the dried scallop & pork. The latter definitely shined over the crab & pork. I cannot even taste or see the crabmeat. Made me wonder if they gave me the plain pork instead. How I long for xiao long bao this good in Chicago!

I noticed that there is another location of Congee Wong 2 doors from Ding Tai Fung. I wish we could've stopped there as well. I haven't been to Congee Wong in 4-5 years now, but it was always on our list whenever we used to visit Toronto more regularly. Here is a brief write up from my last visit.


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I really wish I'd been more into food back when I spent 6 weeks in training in Pickering (2004 time frame), I missed out on a lot of good places to check out. I did get a "tour" of Toronto with one of the guys I was working with, and that was a lot of fun. One thing I really was amazed at is how smoothly the train ran from Pickering to Toronto. I've been on a LOT of trains here in the Chicagoland area and they can't hold a candle to the way the trains ride up there. It was more like floating on air.

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The problem with visiting places like Toronto or the San Gabriel Valley, is that it becomes hard to eat Chinese food anywhere else.

Congee Wong and Ding Tai Fung (note non-actionable extra "g") are both excellent, but there are at least a dozen smaller places in the same strip mall that look equally promising. I wish I'd had more time to explore; as it is, it will be hard to visit again and not go back to either of the two "anchors". The menus are so vast with so many interesting choices that one could spend weeks eating at each and not come close to trying everything.

In the city proper:

Chinese Traditional Bun serves fantastic hand-pulled noodles and handmade dumplings. The "xian cured pork sandwich" is also delightful.

Hong Kong Island is an excellent Chinese bakery. There may well be better ones in Toronto or Markham, but not in Chicago. The condensed milk buns were especially good, but everything was extremely fresh and in many cases still warm.

Deeply unimaginative name aside, Pomegranate is a very nice Persian place, albeit the kind of Persian place that makes you pay for bread and olives. Nonetheless, the stewed lamb shanks were delicious, as was the fessenjan.

Fresco's in Kensington Market makes wonderful fish and chips, or, if you are so inclined, poutine. I was not so inclined, but the halibut was top notch (cod and haddock are also available) and the fresh-cut fries were just right. Wonderful place.



Chinese Traditional Bun
536 Dundas St W
Toronto, ON
(416) 299-9011

Hong Kong Island Bakery
336 Spadina Ave
Toronto, ON
(647) 351-2657

Pomegranate
420 College St
Toronto, ON
(416) 921-7557

Fresco's Fish & Chips
213 Augusta Ave
Toronto, ON
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I recently spent the New Year's weekend in Toronto. The nature of the visit was primarily family oriented, so we only had exactly one afternoon to explore. We hit up the outrageously fun and radical General Idea retrospective at the AGO and found ourselves right nearby Chinatown.

I did not figure that we would have much time to seek out good chow, so I had done 0 research. We hit the streets with empty bellies and relied on the basic signifiers of: 1. crowded 2. with at least a majority of Chinese patronage, and 3. perhaps some awardy looking things in the window. When I saw this happening in a window, it seemed like a must-do.

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Entering the restaurant, this scene looked promising as well:

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The place was packed at 4 in the afternoon, so we felt confident in our decision, especially after we saw impressive plates of dumplings flying around the dining room.

Some dishes on the menu were familiar from Ed's, so I figured the cuisine here was of a northern/ Beijing provenance. This might be a completely ignorant conclusion though. Our server was incredibly accommodating and quite funny, so he worked with us on ordering.
We ordered:

Mandarin ham with garlic cucumbers
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This dish was definitely not to my girlfriend's tastes and pretty challenging for me too. I'm not big on thick, cold pieces of gelatin and this dish was exactly that- pressed meats in an aspic. It was porky for sure, but not seasoned much. The cucumbers were great with a serious raw garlic burn. We finished the cucumber and about 1/3 of the meat.

Stir fried tofu noodles
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Our server warned that this might be too hot for us with its strips of jalapeño, though those Canadian chiles hardly phased us. A very satisfying and comforting dish though, great chew to the tofu, pleasant heat, and a light gravy.

But we were seduced by the looks of those dumplings and that was the main event. My gf was enticed by the lacy edges on the plates of fried dumplings we saw whizzing around so we had to order them. I really appreciated that you could order a plate of 3 different flavors, since there were about a dozen filling options. We opted for spinach and wood ear mushroom, minced pork and shrimp, and pork with chives.

Assorted fried dumplings
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These were perhaps the best dumplings I've ever had. The freshness sang- loosely wrapped, toothsome, and those amazingly lacy crunchy edges. I wish I had watched the ladies fry these, because I am still trying to figure out the lattice that bound these guys together and crisped into that amazing lace- run off starch from the dumplings or an added eggy mixture to the pan? Irresistible, we dispatched of these quick. The fillings were very fresh and simple.

A lacy edge money shot:
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I hope to spend a lot more time exploring Toronto on my next visit. I;d say we did pretty well for a totally off the cuff, unprepared lunch though. These dumplings are killer.

Dumpling House
328 Spadina Ave
Toronto, ON M5T 2E7
(416) 596-8898

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:12 pm 
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Location: Boston
In Mississauga, there is quite possibly my favourite Pakistani barbecue joint outside of Karachi. In fact, Bar B Q Tonite justifiably takes its name from the legendary Karachi barbecue restaurant, BBQ Tonight.

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The kitchen is a glass-encased cube on view for the dining room, and I wish I'd gotten a picture of it, because it's essentially an oversized aquarium smoker. I don't know how this place manages to stay open without violating every possible fire hazard, but rest assured you'll walk out alive, with a happy belly, smelling of tandoori smoke for days.

The kebabs, particularly the reshmi (spiced ground chicken) and seekh, are delicately hand-formed and cooked over a charcoal fire with great care so as to attain that perfect texture of tenderness without falling apart. My personal litmus test is being able to take a piece of bread and pinch off a chunk without resistance, yet without obliteration. Platters of kebabs come out on sizzling cast iron platters that, if one exercises some restraint and patience, will caramelize the bed of onions the kebabs come perched upon. A few cooked onions, a slice of raw onion, and a dip in some raita.

seekh kebab, chicken tikka
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reshmi kebab, afghani tikka
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tandoori naan
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keema naan
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lamb chops
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chicken tikka, lahori fish
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The Afghani tikka, in its relative simplicity of spicing, is one of my favourites. The Lahori fish, a pan-fried kingfish, also highlights their use of poppin fresh spices and a skilled hand at the stovetop. A better example of that is their maghaz masala (brains), among my favourite versions anywhere, it's a bit chunky, studded with chiles and caramelized bits and, again, it's comes down their excellent spicing - I suspect they frequently make up fresh batches of roasted spices, something most Indo-Pak restaurants fail to do (stale Shan packets abound).

maghaz masala
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The real standout item here, though, is the bihari kebab. My uncle was a lifelong bihari kebab-walla of some renown in Karachi and never had we encountered a bihari kebab that matched his expertise, until here. This is a weird kebab that I've only later in life been able to appreciate, but it's I believe a cut of beef from the leg/thigh region, that is marinated for a long period of time in yogurt, raw papaya (tenderizer), spices and mustard oil, then grilled on an open charcoal fire. The result is an almost mushy, yet juicy texture of beef, from the long papaya marination. Key is striking the right balance of texture, which is not a trivial task when you consider the multiple variables in this equation.

bihari kebab
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While they do have kata kat on the menu, the few times I've inquired they've not had all the offal-y bits on hand for the traditional style. I'm looking forward to trying their nehari and kata kat out one of these days. While not listed on their menu, they do also offer a great breakfast combo of paya, nehari, channa, halwa, puri, etc, though I do not recall pricing.

BarBQ Tonite
35 Dundas Street West
Mississauga, Ontario
905-268-0088
http://www.barbqtonite.com/index.html


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:45 pm 
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Desi BBQ - Exhibit B: Patna Kabab House

The Patna Kabab House is somewhat legendary in desi circles in the Greater Toronto Area for not only bihari kababs, but also nihari and barbecue in general. Patna is the capital city of the Indian state of Bihar which, of course, is the place from whence bihari kababs came. Rather dumpy in decor, it seats a surprisingly large number, and I'm told they have a crowded house every night, despite their bare-bones service (plastic utensils, no waitstaff, etc). I stopped in at an early hour and while I had the restaurant to myself, they were conducting a continuous stream of takeout the entire time.



First thing that struck me was that everybody ordered the nihari. I'd planned on ordering it anyways, but it was good to see it wasn't just website wanking, these guys have good reason to be touting their nihari. Not as fiery as my mamas, this is mere stylistic preference, but this is as fine a bowl as they come. I think you can make out how marrow-laden the gravy in the picture. Spectactular nihari, accompanied by "Milky Naan", which is a robust naan made with milk, yogurt and eggs. A little goes a long way for mopping and sopping.

Nihari
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Milky Naan
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Another interesting curry was the Shahjahani Kabab Curry, which are seekh kababs cooked in a spicy tomato-based curry. This dish came out before the barrage of kababs and, while I enjoyed it, I hadn't realized just how good the actual kababs were until I was able to try them on their own. It's almost a crime to dunk these kababs in anything other than a small dab of raita. Nevertheless, even as a purist I'll admit it was tasty.

Shahjahani Kabab Curry
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Getting down to kababusiness. Most of the kababs can be ordered per piece, which allows for a larger sample size. Spices are special ordered from Pakistan and then custom blended by the chef to stamp each kabab with their own unique spice signature, which, coupled with a skilled hand at the fire, is really what sets Patna Kabab House apart from the rest.

The Bihari Kababs are justifiably famous and at least as good as the above-mentioned bihari kababs at BarBQ Tonite - they use top round cut and attain the perfectly tender texture toeing the line of mushiness, but stopping just short. The bihari kababs spend just enough time on the fire to pick up a kiss of smoke and yet retain full juice (bihari kababs are very prone to drying out, hence no strong char here).

Silky Kababs (aka reshmi kababs), aptly named, are ground, practically whipped, chicken kababs with an impossibly smooth interior.

Silky Kabab & Bihari Kabab
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Gola Kababs, golf ball sized beef kababs, are much more assertively spiced, denser and take on a greater char-smoke flavour.

Gola Kabab & Seekh Kabab
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Darbari Kabab, an interesting lamb-chicken mix, should be a requisite order - lamb flavour predominating while carrying the (plastic)spoon-tender texture of the chicken.

Darbari Kabab
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Darbari Kabab innards
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I really wish the kitchen was on full-view to watch the chef constantly adjusting, tweaking, twisting and turning meats like a yakitori master at work. The entire kabab package - from which spices are used, the grind of meat, the choice of meat, how much smoke or char treatment the kabab gets - is all very carefully thought out for each style. The texture, snap, spicing and smoke make for some of the most sensational kababs to be had.

This is the pretty much the kind of place many of us are constantly on the quest for. The specialists, the masters of their craft. The guy who spends a lifetime making one thing and is eternally in pursuit of perfection and shibui.

Patna Kabab House
http://patnakababhouse.com/home2.aspx
1885 Lawrence Ave East
Scarborough, Ontario (aka 'Scarberia')
416.759.4920


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