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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:19 pm 
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Hi all,

I'll be in Jacksonville this weekend and any suggestions/favorites would be very welcome. Mostly looking for informal stuff since will be eating with my teenage son and soccer teammates.

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We were in Amelia Island FL later last year and found a place called The Surf.. it was a fun bar and the food was pretty good the thing that made it interesting is they had a lobster special on Sunday something like 7 bucks a lobster they were small you could eat 3 easy but it was fun..

http://www.thesurfonline.com/


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The only reason that I can think of
to go to Jacksonville by choice, is
to visit the Mossfire Grill for their
Smoked Pork Tacos - slow roasted,
smoked pork served on soft flour
tortillas with crisp cabbage, cotija
cheese, and pineapple salsa.
Kinda like pulled pork meets
al pastor. (drools)


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A long-dormant bump, but I have a lot of friends from Northwestern who are headed down for the Gator Bowl. Any Jax suggestions? I think we're in trouble, because an official Gator Bowl rep suggested the Charthouse and Ruth's Chris. :)


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:34 pm 
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To understand why anyone would want to devote time to eating in Jacksonville, you’d have to wrap your head around its historical situation. Northeast Florida houses the longest continually occupied (by the French, the Spanish, the Dutch, and the English before us) part of the United States, and yet very few of the dishes offered in Jacksonville (such as datil pepper hot sauce, Minorcan chowder, and the Florida-style low-county boil) have spread to south Georgia, to the Panhandle, or to central Florida.

The Jacksonville, Florida area marks the intersection of a number of historical influences that have influenced its local cuisine: it is home to a cattle business that dates to the Spanish occupation of northeast Florida, it has been home to the shrimping industry that predates Florida statehood, and its immigrant populations (notably, Minorcan, Lebanese, French Huguenot, African, English, and Filipino) have all contributed to the region’s largely under-noticed food-culture. To be perfectly clear, this part of the United States is the birthplace of the North American cowboy, and is the first home of commercial shrimping in the United States.

In fact, little-known fishing villages such as Mayport are about the only place that a diner can find fish such as cobia, wahoo, and mackeral prepared in a restaurant, in addition to better-known regional specialties like grouper, flounder, and snapper. While Mayport is only a shadow of what it once was decades ago, due entirely to regional politics, restaurants like Singleton’s Seafood Shack and Safe Harbor Seafood exclusively serve locally caught fish––most of the fishermen and shrimpers have also owned the restaurants for decades, and many do the cooking.

Both Singleton’s and Safe Harbor are great spots for lunch, as you can order a sandwich made with one of three catches of the day for about $6 (including a side), to which I would recommend adding a few drops of the locally made Trinidadian habanero sauce. Please keep in mind that Singleton’s has been in business since the 1960s and is the more traditional choice over Safe Harbor, which has been around for perhaps one-third as long, and which is the cleaner and fancier option.

Many seaside towns in the First Coast region of Florida, from Fernandina Beach in the north to Ormond Beach in the south, share deeply felt cultural and social connections to fishing. If you were to spend some time along northeast Florida’s Atlantic coast, you would very soon after recognize that fishing and seafood-eating holds the entire Jacksonville Beaches community together, and that the place and its fishing culture are inseparable. Outside of Mayport, a restaurant such as O’Steen’s Restaurant in St. Augustine showcases the finest dish that north Florida offers, a plate of fried Mayport shrimp.

I can write with certainty that in thirty-two years of eating at O’Steen’s, I have only ever order the shrimp dinner, and that I would recommend it without a reservation in the world. Their sides (think green beans, collared greens, and apple sauce) are all just fine, and their hushpuppies are mandatory, but you wouldn’t know the first thing about Jacksonville-area seafood if you were to skip the fried shrimp dipped liberally in O’Steen’s datil-pepper-spiked dipping sauce. Also, I would very strongly recommend a bowl of O’Steen’s Minorcan clam chowder, which is a stew-thick tomato-based chowder seasoned with datil pepper hot sauce.

This year, Mayport celebrated the 450th anniversary of its founding as a fishing village, and Saint Augustine was founded in 1565: while the latter shows no signs of thinning interest, Mayport is on its last leg, and possibly won’t survive the decade. If you’ve interested in getting at something essential in American food-culture, and if you’re interested in what must be one of the oldest non-native cuisines in the Americas, you would do yourself a disservice to skip over Mayport or Saint Augustine in favor of a restaurant like the Charthouse or like Ruth’s Chris Steakhouse. I’ve read LTH each day since moving to Chicago from Florida seven years ago, and I wouldn’t want a visitor to think of Jacksonville as the culinary and cultural backwater that less-informed writers would make it out to be, just as I wouldn’t want anyone to think of Chicago in those terms.

If you don’t mind, I would prefer not to make recommendations for eating in the city of Jacksonville, as I think it would be worth a visitor’s while to visit Neptune Beach for smoked fish-dip (another regional specialty) and oysters on the ocean at Sliders, to eat a Belgian pastry from Denoel Pastry Shop while strolling the Castillo de San Marcos in Saint Augustine, and to have a beer at Pete’s Bar with the Florida crackers. It’s where I grew up, and in moving away, I’ve realized that the food-culture in northeast Florida is irreplaceable––and yet it’s imminently in danger of being replaced, watered-down, and undone.

Thanks for reading,
Matt


Singleton’s Seafood Shack
4728 Ocean Street  
Atlantic Beach, FL 32233
(904) 246-4442

Safe Harbor Seafood
4378 Ocean Street #3,
Atlantic Beach, FL 32233
(904) 246-4911

O’Steen’s Restaurant
205 Anastasia Boulevard,
St. Augustine, FL 32080
(904) 829-6974
[Note: closed Monday]

Sliders Oyster Bar
218 1st Street  
Neptune Beach, FL 32266
(904) 246-0881

Denoel Pastry Shop
‪212 Charlotte St.
Saint Augustine, FL 32084
(904) 829-3974

Pete’s Bar
117 First Street  
Neptune Beach, FL 32266
(904) 249-9158


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:26 pm 
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Welcome, Matt!

Though it's obviously a very bittersweet topic for you, this is a wonderful first post... thank you for sharing it.

Looking forward to hearing about your new discoveries as well as your old remembrances :-)

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Every time we head to Jacksonville, we head to Barbara Jean's in Ponte Vedre Beach.

I cannot decide whether I like the setting or the food more. The restaurant is located on a meandering portion of the Intercoastal Waterway. You sit on the deck and watch the boats go by and the like, it is a very relaxing place.

And the food is quite good. They serve the best shrimp and grits in the area. Their sides are excellent as is their bread basket.

http://barbarajeans.com/menu.html


And if you are in Jacksonville area, stop at the Karpeles Manuscript Museum to see the Adams Family Exhibit, a collection of manuscripts from Samuel Adams, John Adams, and John Quincy Adams. Admission is free. Also, there is a small BBQ stand down the street that is pretty decent.

http://www.rain.org/~karpeles/jax.html


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Thanks so much for bumping this thread, chitrader. I'm also an NU fan who will be there for the Gator Bowl and looking for a decent meal or two along the way.


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Epic first post! Thanks Matt!


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Very helpful posts so far, thanks. I too am an NU fan heading down to the Gator Bowl. Mrs. ParisCat and I will be staying in Ponte Vedra Beach, so any additional recommendations in that immediate area would be much appreciated. Bonus points for water view. Thanks!


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I’m so glad that many of you enjoyed my earlier post. If you’re heading down for the NU game this weekend, and if you want to stay close to the Ponte Vedra/Palm Valley area, you might check out one of the fish camps in Palm Valley. There are a handful of fish camps between the Intercoastal Waterway and the Atlantic, most of which were one operated by fishermen and their families, and which have since been sold to restauranteurs. Above, jlawrence01 pointed out Barbara Jean’s, and I might add the Palm Valley Fish Camp to that list––Lulu’s Waterfront Cafe has taken a turn for the worst in recent years.

Each of these fish camps has a lovely view of the Intercoastal, and of the adjacent marshland, egrets, blue herons, ospreys, and all. While places such as the Palm Valley Fish Camp offer food that isn’t necessary traditional to the area, I would recommend the Low Boil (with shrimp, clams, crawfish, and Andouille), or the Mayport Shrimp and Grits––this is exactly the kind of food I grew up eating, with family, in northeast Florida.

I understand that my earlier post probably finished off the dead horse, but if you have a few hours to spare, I’d very strongly heading south to O’Steen’s Restaurant for fried shrimp: the drive south down A1A couldn’t be more beautiful. Saint Augustine has preserved its colonial European architecture, and at this time of year, the city holds its Festival of Lights in the old market downtown. The Festival is well worth your time if you’re in the area for dinner.

That said, I hope you all have a lovely time in the Jacksonville area, and I hope even more so that you leave full of shrimp.

Thanks again,
Matt


Palm Valley Fish Camp
299 North Roscoe Road
Ponte Vedra, FL 32082
(904) 285-3200

O’Steen’s Restaurant
205 Anastasia Boulevard,
St. Augustine, FL 32080
(904) 829-6974
[Note: closed Monday]


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MRC wrote:
I’m so glad that many of you enjoyed my earlier post. If you’re heading down for the NU game this weekend, and if you want to stay close to the Ponte Vedra/Palm Valley area, you might check out one of the fish camps in Palm Valley. There are a handful of fish camps between the Intercoastal Waterway and the Atlantic, most of which were one operated by fishermen and their families, and which have since been sold to restauranteurs. Above, jlawrence01 pointed out Barbara Jean’s, and I might add the Palm Valley Fish Camp to that list––Lulu’s Waterfront Cafe has taken a turn for the worst in recent years.




One of my disappointments was that I am unable to locate some of my notes on Jacksonville and nearby St. Augustine.

However, your mention of the fish camps reminded me of Whitey's Fish Camp which is slightly southwest of Jacksonville in Orange Park. If you are looking for fancy, this is not the place. This is very basic, well prepared fish and seafood with a great view of the intercoastal waterway. One thing that they do offer is an excellent catfish that is NOT farm raised..

We generally fly into Jacksonville after spring training for one of those one-way rentals and use it as a jumping off point for southeastern road trips.


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Thanks for the St. Augustine recommendation. We're actually flying into and out of Orlando, so O’Steen’s is an option.

I Googled but didn't get a good answer: What is a fish camp?


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We're planning to drive up from the south toward Ponte Vedra on Monday, Dec. 31, and I'd like to stop in St. Augustine. The only St. Augustine recommendation so far, O'Steen's, seems to be closed on Mondays, so any other St. Augustine recommendations? Thanks!


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If you stick to certain favorites, Columbia Restaurant is a favorite of mine--I haven't been to the St. Augustine location in many years but I still love the outposts in Tampa and Sarasota so guessing all is still well there. (http://www.columbiarestaurant.com/st_augustine.asp) Don't miss the Spanish Bean Soup and 1905 Salad...

More references to it in the Tampa thread since they have multiple locations throughout Florida. http://www.lthforum.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=12760.

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chgoeditor wrote:
Thanks for the St. Augustine recommendation. We're actually flying into and out of Orlando, so O’Steen’s is an option.

I Googled but didn't get a good answer: What is a fish camp?



I have been to a few but I will give you some general characteristics:

Usually in or around a marina
usually a combination of inside and outside dining
usually a very casual environment where you can go in shorts and sandals.
food generally seafood and fish but occasionally a steak.

By the way, I did not expect to like Jacksonville, FL at all. However, we have been there a couple of times and have had a blast.


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Originally, a Florida Cracker fish camp was exactly what it sounds like - a place by the water where you pitch a tent or rent a cabin and some gear and go fishing. Nowadays, it also means a rustic place close to the source where you get seafood, fried, with hushpuppies. I'd add to JLawrence's description that such "camps" are often (mostly, I'd say) inland on lakes or rivers and revolve around catfish or bass. There are any number still doing business all over the state, as a quick search will reveal. A cypress shack by the water under a hammock of Spanish moss is the ideal.

Here is a link to an actual fish camp.

http://www.hpfishcamp.com/


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The Northwestern Wildcats--not the restaurants--were the highlight of my trip to Jacksonville. Not counting a breakfast of beer & chips while tailgating, a lackluster taco at the stadium and an Egg McMuffin before heading back to Chicago, we ate two meals out during our time in Jacksonville.

BB's Restaurant had a special a la carte menu for New Year's Eve that seemed more upscale than their normal menu. If I found myself back in Jacksonville, I'd seek this place out again. (In fact, one of my friends may have headed back the next night for another dessert, which BB's seems to do very well.)

1019 Hendricks Ave.
Jacksonville, Florida 32207
(904) 306-0100

We were much less impressed by River City Brewing Company. The food was lackluster and their beer didn't wow me. But they have a lovely marina/riverside outdoor patio (if slightly uncomfortable chairs).

Two caveats:
1. We ate there after a long day of tailgating, watching football & screaming our heads off while cheering on Northwestern. Nothing was going to match the day's high of watching NU win its first bowl game since 1949.
2. They were serving a very limited menu. I think the sum total of our options were peel & eat shrimp, artichoke dip with (week old?) red and green tortilla chips, hamburger and fried chicken tenders with soggy fries.

(Edited to add: Coach Fitzgerald showed up at RCBC about five minutes after we did. Our table collective wondered if he got the same lousy menu options that we did. Given that our only option was to sit on the patio and he was seated inside, methinks he may have dined a bit better than we did.)

835 Museum Circle
Jacksonville, FL 32207
(904) 398-2299

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I, too, was in Jacksonville for the epic and emotionally draining Wildcats victory. Fortunately, we had good luck on the food front as well.

We were staying at the Ponte Vedra Inn & Club in Ponte Vedra Beach, about 30 minutes outside of Jacksonville. It's a beautiful oceanfront resort dripping with history and tradition.

We were scrambling for a Monday night (New Year's Eve) destination. Our preferred spot, Ocean 60, was completely booked. We were directed to a small family-run Italian spot in Sawgrass Village called Caffe Andiamo. While nothing to get giddy about, we found it to be perfectly pleasant, with a lively atmosphere, good drinks, and solid homemade pastas.

On Tuesday night, after our post-Gator Bowl celebration and a quick nap, we were torn between two sister restaurants: Palm Valley Fish Camp on the intercoastal waterway, and its new sibling, North Beach Fish Camp in Atlantic Beach. We opted for the latter. It had a fun, young vibe. We both had a grouper special, served over hoppin' john with saffron rice. This was one of the best casual fish dishes I've had in a long time. The fried artichoke appetizer was excellent as well.

I've heard pretty dismal reports from those who stayed in downtown Jacksonville for the game. The beach towns, and especially Ponte Vedra, turned out to be a much better alternative.


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I, too, was in Jacksonville for the epic and emotionally draining Wildcats victory. Fortunately, we had good luck on the food front as well.

We were staying at the Ponte Vedra Inn & Club in Ponte Vedra Beach, about 30 minutes outside of Jacksonville. It's a beautiful oceanfront resort dripping with history and tradition.

We were scrambling for a Monday night (New Year's Eve) destination. Our preferred spot, Ocean 60, was completely booked. We were directed to a small family-run Italian spot in Sawgrass Village called Caffe Andiamo. While nothing to get giddy about, we found it to be perfectly pleasant, with a lively atmosphere, good drinks, and solid homemade pastas.

On Tuesday night, after our post-Gator Bowl celebration and a quick nap, we were torn between two sister restaurants: Palm Valley Fish Camp on the intercoastal waterway, and its new sibling, North Beach Fish Camp in Atlantic Beach. We opted for the latter. It had a fun, young vibe. We both had a grouper special, served over hoppin' john with saffron rice. This was one of the best casual fish dishes I've had in a long time. The fried artichoke appetizer was excellent as well.

I've heard pretty dismal reports from those who stayed in downtown Jacksonville for the game. The beach towns, and especially Ponte Vedra, turned out to be a much better alternative.


I'm still giddy with excitement over the win....can't imagine that a Rose Bowl or national championship victory feels much better than this.

The hotel options really left something to be desired. I regret that we didn't stay in Ponte Vedra Beach, but friends (some without cars) were sticking to the downtown hotels so we stayed in Jacksonville, too. We seriously debated heading to a fish camp for dinner on Tuesday, but weren't up for the long drive back and forth. Our post-game "nap" started at 8:30 pm and ran until 6 the next morning!

I'm jealous you had grouper! I would have loved a good grouper sandwich.


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