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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:15 am 
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Cathy2 wrote:
This website is conservative, what surprised me was their expectation to heat the milk to no more than 165 degrees. Until I read it, I had also heated my milk to 180 degrees.

The 165°F step is for pasteurization and is omitted when using commercial pasteurized milk. The NCHFP website recommends heating at 200°F (93°C) for protein denaturization, somewhat higher than usually suggested.

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It's the holding-at-170 that seems to thicken the yogurt up so well, but next time I'll try 165 and see how it does. I don't want to muck about with adding milk powder, but I suspect that holding it at the high temp for a while before dropping to 110 for inoculation and the longer ferment results in some evaporation; essentially, it does the exact same thing as adding the dried milk... increases the ratio of milk solids to liquid.

Evaporation shouldn't be too significant if the pot is covered during heating. A major effect of this step is the thermal denaturation of whey proteins. This results in more stable gel formation as the pH decreases during the 110°F (43°C) incubation. There are other effects too.

In Food Microbiology, Adams & Moss wrote:
Before addition of the starter culture, the milk is heated to 80-90°C [176-194°F] for about 30 min. Being well in excess of the normal pasteurization requirements for safety, this has a substantial lethal effect on the microflora. All but heat-resistant spores are eliminated so that the starter culture encounters little by way of competition. The heat process also improves the milk as a growth medium for the starter by inactivating immunoglobulins, expulsion of oxygen to produce a micro-aerophilic environment, and through the release of stimulatory levels of sulfhydryl groups. Excessive heating can however lead to the production of inhibitory levels of these compounds. Heating also promotes interactions between whey or serum proteins and casein which increase the yoghurt viscosity, stabilize the gel and limit syneresis (separation of whey).

mamagotcha wrote:
Bring 1/2 gallon whole milk to 180 degrees F (I use a thermometer with an alarm to alert me when it reaches the right temperature).
Turn flame to as low as it goes and put a lid on the pot, and try to hold it at about 170-180F for about two hours.

I'm curious why you heat your milk for two hours, significantly longer than usually recommended (though your temperature is slightly lower). If you're happy with your procedure, that's all that matters and you ought to stick with it but to some dairy scientists longer isn't better.

A further important effect of heating is the increase in hydrophilicity [tendency to interact with water] of the proteins which reduces syneresis [expulsion of whey] and increases gel firmness. This is a consequence of the covalent attachment between κ-casein and β-lactoglobulin which results in a new surface structure with fewer exposed hydrophobic groups. Maximal hydration is obtained by heating milk to 85°C [185°F] for 30 min, the yoghurt produced after this treatment exhibiting true thixotropic [gel-like] behavior. Increasing the severity of heat treatment further increases hydrophobicity and leads to syneresis and a poor quality yoghurt.

Who knew making yogurt was so complex?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:29 pm 
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I don't think it's the 180 as much as the holding-it-for-an-hour-or-so that aids the thickening. I got the idea here: http://www.thekitchn.com/better-homemad ... ays-125442 (something I found when I was looking for ways to decrease the amount of whey I was finding, yet still not have runny yogurt).

I tried holding it longer after inoculation to thicken it, but it made the yogurt too sour for our tastes. I tried holding it at 170-175 (before inoculation) for one hour, and it was thicker but not ideal. I did it for two hours, and it turned out really creamy and lovely. I'm going to try holding it lower (165) for two hours next time I try it, and see if it makes for a less grucky pan.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:30 am 
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hey yogurt-makers, I wanted to share this with you: the Brod & Taylor Folding Proofer

my lovely husband gifted this to me for my birthday. It's basically a collapsible home proofing oven for bread dough. It's a box that can hold a relatively low consistent temp (70 - 120°F) for a very long time, and you can add water to make it a humid environment. I know it probably seems like an extravagant clunky uni-tasker, but I loved the bread I made in it over the weekend, and I can't wait to try it on yogurt. I'll let you know how it goes. It's also supposed to be good for tempering chocolate. I also used it to soften butter.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:19 am 
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Sorry if the post appears weird. For some reason it blanked out and I am retyping this.

While I *am* going to be looking into that proofer, (please post more reviews!), i have something close and far cheaper - an electric bisker. This is esentially an electric breadbox that in the humid south is used to keep crackers/chips/etc fresh. I put in my bread with a couple of cups of water and it works great. The last time I bought one as a wedding gift, it was $60. When I was living in the south they were $5 at yardsales.

This is what i am using for yoghurt these days
http://www.harvestessentials.com/mimome72yoma.html?utm_source=amazonproductads&utm_medium=ppc
Very easy/no cleanup, etc. this and a cheesemold have gotten me away from cream cheese for a spread as well.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:10 pm 
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will do! I might make a batch of yogurt tomorrow. Of interest to those pondering the holding-for-an-hour-at-180 question, the recipe booklet that came with the proofer recommends holding the milk at 195 for 10 min for a thick custard-like texture.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:42 am 
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made a batch last night with the Brod & Taylor proofer, using organic whole milk and Brown Cow plain yogurt to inoculate. I followed the recipe exactly, making 2 16-oz jars of yogurt. One of the jars seems to have separated whey, the other seems solid. The separated one is the one I tilted a few times to check and see if it had firmed up - maybe that's what caused the separation.

For this particular method:
- the milk was held at 195 for 10 minutes
- cooled to 115
- added yogurt
- held at 120 for 1 hour
- held at 86 overnight (recipe only indicates 1-4 hours at 86)

the recipe indicated it would set up at 86 after as little as an hour and up to 4 hours, I gave up after 2 hours and went to bed. we'll see how it turns out! Another variation holds the yogurt at 110 for 4-6 hours, skipping the hour at 120.

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