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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:38 am 
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Hi,

We need the LTHforum community's help identifying damaged posts with truncated content. There are 2500 topic threads which need review up to any post originating before or on March 17, 2005 when LTHforum moved to a new webhost. To allow a moderator to repair these posts, a copy of LTHforum 2.0 from April 24, 2008 has been sitting quietly for our reference whenever a moderator encountered a flawed post or someone reported it.

Pretty soon this backup will be removed when LTHforum is upgraded and moved to another server. There were 2800 topics potentially affected by truncated posts, while most have been cleaned up whenever they were reported or come upon. There was an effort to systematically review threads, though only ten percent were reviewed and where needed were repaired.

To sweeten your interest, I will be delighted to make a pie for whomever reviews the most posts. Everyone else, there will be another pie via raffle. For each range of posts committed and finished, will be one chance.

How did all this happen?

When LTHforum.com was 10 months old, it moved to a new webhost. Like all moves, there were a few bumps and scrapes discovered after the movers left. In our case, we acquired a few new characters.

Best Cauliflower I ever ate
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Best Cauliflower I Ever Ate
I�ve never been a huge fan of cauliflower; I always thought of it as broccoli�s albino brother, pale and for the most part not very interesting, though being a cruciferous veg, full of cancer-fighting beta-carotene, blah, blah, blah.

Anyhow, the October Saveur (page 95) has a killer and supremely easy recipe for cauliflower that is definitely the best I ever ate. To summarize, you basically oven roast a pan of bread crumbs and a pan of cauliflower that's been saut�ed in olive oil; mix together with black oil-cured olives, salt and pepper.

Magnificent simplicity and superb.

Hammond


We learned these � symbols were caused by people composing their posts offline on their word processors, then copying and pasting them in LTH's dialogue box. While annoying, one could still read past them to get to the content. A few people went back to repair these posts to their original condition.

A few years later when LTHforum's software was upgraded, we had long forgotten about these characters. When spot checking for any irregularities, we never thought to look for these old posts. Unfortunately, those bad characters caused affected posts to be truncated exactly where first encountered. Thus today this post looks like this:

Subject: Best Cauliflower I Ever Ate

David Hammond wrote:
Best Cauliflower I Ever Ate

I



How to help

Check the list below to pledge a range of posts to check. I am very happy if you will do one set of topics. Once done, please repost and I will bold the topic as finished. I will update these lists whenever possible.

I did a spot check of topics 2501-2525. I found two threads with truncated posts needing repair and three non-existent topics. I did check once the LTHforum 2.0 archive to verify if a post was damaged or was stated as intended by the author. To go through 25 topics takes about 10-15 minutes.

There are 100 sets posts needing review in bundles of 25 topics.

For example, if you agreed to check topics 25-50, you would put this url in your browser:

LTHforum V3 Current: http://www.lthforum.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=25

You will find there is no topic thread, then move on to topic 26 by editing 25 to 26 at t=25 in the url.

Once you identify a damaged post, then click the report button !. A moderator will come by to repair it. Remember once you are past March 17, 2005, you are done with any thread.

If you doubt whether a post is damaged or not, then check the archive:

LTHforum V2 Archive: http://lthforum.com/bb2019utf8/viewtopic.php?t=25

You can navigate this archive to any topic number by editing t=25 to any other topic number.

Please note some of these threads may not exist. Sometimes people start a topic, then change their mind and delete it or it is a topic on an unseen moderator board (yes Virginia, there is one).



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Topics:
25-50 - EvA
51-75 - EvA
76-100 - Gypsy Boy
101-125 - Gypsy Boy
126-150 - mbh
151-175 - Siun
176-200 - Siun
201-225 - fropones
225-250 - mamagotcha
251-275 - mamagotcha
276-300 - Amata
301-325 - Amata
326-350 - Amata
351-375 - Amata
376-400 - EvA.
401-425 - EvA
426-450 - Cathy2
451-475 - Cathy2
476-500 - Cathy2
501-525 - Cathy2
526-550 - Cathy2
551-575
576-600
601-625
626-650
651-675
676-700
701-725
726-800
801-825
826-850
851-875
876-900
901-925
926-950
951-975
976-1000
1001-1025
1026-1050
1051-1075
1076-1100
1101-1125
1126-1150
1151-1175
1176-1200
1201-1225
1225-1250
1251-1275
1276-1300
1301-1325
1326-1350
1351-1375
1376-1400
1401-1425
1426-1450
1451-1475
1476-1500
1501-1525
1526-1550
1551-1575
1576-1600
1601-1625
1626-1650
1651-1675
1676-1700
1701-1725
1726-1800
1801-1825
1826-1850
1851-1875
1876-1900
1901-1925
1926-1950
1951-1975
1976-2000
2001-2025
2026-2050
2051-2075
2076-2100
2101-2125
2126-2150
2151-2175
2176-2200
2201-2225
2225-2250
2251-2275
2276-2300
2301-2325
2326-2350
2351-2375
2376-2400
2401-2425
2426-2450
2451-2475
2476-2500
2501-2525 - Cathy2 (checked)

Thank you for any and all help!

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:21 pm 
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Hi Cathy,

I will take the first two batches, 25-50 and 51-75. My guess is that the really time-consuming part will be that I fall into reading all these old posts....

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EvA wrote:
Hi Cathy,

I will take the first two batches, 25-50 and 51-75. My guess is that the really time-consuming part will be that I fall into reading all these old posts....

Evy


You glance through them looking for an surprisingly short post or something cut off mid-sentence or mid-word.

Thank you very, very much for being the first to respond!

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:47 pm 
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Cathy2 wrote:
You glance through them looking for an surprisingly short post or something cut off mid-sentence or mid-word.

Thank you very, very much for being the first to respond!

Regards,


I'm just commenting on my tendency to spend hours reading forum posts. I'm sure the proofreading part will go quickly!


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:19 pm 
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Ah sure, what the hell.... 'Bout time I gave back around here. Put me down for two more batches--76 through 125.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:24 pm 
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Gypsy Boy wrote:
Ah sure, what the hell.... 'Bout time I gave back around here. Put me down for two more batches--76 through 125.

Dave

Thanks! :D

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:44 pm 
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Have we investigated doing this work in the database rather than manually?

It may be more efficient to identify truncated posts by writing a query(ies) that identify posts with different lengths in the old database vs. the new database. This assumes someone has access to both databases.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:46 pm 
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25-50 and 51-75 are completed.

I am "not authorised to read" (why do we use British spelling here?) nos. 33, 51, 55, 56, 57, 60, 61, and 75.

Nos. 25, 36, 47, 48, 53, 63, 64, 67, 69, 73, and 74 do not exist.

Easy to check, fun to see old posts. I will do more tomorrow if needed.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:54 pm 
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EvA wrote:
25-50 and 51-75 are completed.

I am "not authorised to read" (why do we use British spelling here?) nos. 33, 51, 55, 56, 57, 60, 61, and 75.

Nos. 25, 36, 47, 48, 53, 63, 64, 67, 69, 73, and 74 do not exist.

Easy to check, fun to see old posts. I will do more tomorrow if needed.


EvA,

Thank you for the feedback!

Those unauthorized to read were on the moderator board or a shill or a pulled thread.

Some threads don't exist because sometimes people begin a thread, then change their mind and delete it. The topic number is never recycled, so there is a blank.

Again, thanks!

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:44 pm 
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I just did 125-150, 127 is on an invisible board so I don't have access.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:07 pm 
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mbh wrote:
I just did 125-150, 127 is on an invisible board so I don't have access.

Thanks!

Early on as we figured out how to run this website, there were a number of moderator board topics.

I appreciate your efforts!

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Completed 201-225. 201, 209, 219, 221, and 225 I can't access and 207, 208, and 218 don't exist.


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Completed 201-225. 201, 209, 219, 221, and 225 I can't access and 207, 208, and 218 don't exist.

I see you reported some dinged threads, thanks!

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Cathy--If there are still threads left to be checked next week--once I finish this project!--I'll be happy to pitch in. I'll check back on Monday to check the status.

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Cathy--If there are still threads left to be checked next week--once I finish this project!--I'll be happy to pitch in. I'll check back on Monday to check the status.

I understand and appreciate your sentiments.

Thanks!

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:21 pm 
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Hi

I'll do 151 - 200.

Will report back later.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:50 pm 
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Suspect you don't need to know which ones don't exist but just in case: 152, 153, 158, 160, 168, 169, 170, 171, 173, 176, 181, 189, 193


166 has the formatting issue but did not truncate - just fyi.

FInis - no truncated ones!

If I get a break tomorrow and you need more, I'll try to do another batch. Quick and easy task for anyone considering helping!


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I can take 225-275... (edited to add: now they are done!)

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:17 pm 
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Siun, Mamagotcha,

Thank you both so much.

From the 200-250 threads reviewed today, there were eight damaged threads reported. I will keep track of how many are repaired and provide a report.

Thanks to everyone so far on your efforts. It really is appreciated.

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Did my sets, 76-125. One truncated, one I wasn't certain about. Lemme know if you need a list of posts I wasn't authorised to read or which do not exist.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:25 am 
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Gypsy Boy wrote:
Did my sets, 76-125. One truncated, one I wasn't certain about. Lemme know if you need a list of posts I wasn't authorised to read or which do not exist.

No need to send the list, I know they are out there. I do appreciate your, "When in doubt, report it," thinking.

Thanks!

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:33 am 
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milz50 wrote:
Have we investigated doing this work in the database rather than manually?

It may be more efficient to identify truncated posts by writing a query(ies) that identify posts with different lengths in the old database vs. the new database. This assumes someone has access to both databases.


Would be much more efficient to do it at the database level as opposed to the brute force method. You could search the database and do a find and replace based on the ascii code of the characters in question


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Come on, LTH, we need to get the competition going for Cathy's promised pie! Better odds than Powerball, for sure. :D

I hereby pledge to do four sets -- 276 to 375.


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I will now do 376-425 (two more sets).


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milz50 wrote:
Have we investigated doing this work in the database rather than manually?

It may be more efficient to identify truncated posts by writing a query(ies) that identify posts with different lengths in the old database vs. the new database. This assumes someone has access to both databases.


Would be much more efficient to do it at the database level as opposed to the brute force method. You could search the database and do a find and replace based on the ascii code of the characters in question

Hi,

If there had been an efficient way to do this, it would have been done long ago.

There are no assurances this will be accomplished as you suggested. I have enough sense of history to know if this is not remedied now, a window of opportunity may close.

As for brute force, people give up not more than 10-15 minutes per segment and probably less. I will be doing quite a bit on my side to fix the reported posts.

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Amata wrote:
Come on, LTH, we need to get the competition going for Cathy's promised pie! Better odds than Powerball, for sure. :D

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376-425 checked. No truncated posts; 7 non-existent topics and 4 I'm not allowed into.


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Okay, 276-375 done. Quite a few truncated posts: #355 "Glunz Bavarian Haus" should get some kind of prize for having 8 truncated posts in a 1-page thread.

(Yes, more than one of those were by Antonius!)

It was fun to skim over those great old posts!


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Amata wrote:
Okay, 276-375 done. Quite a few truncated posts: #355 "Glunz Bavarian Haus" should get some kind of prize for having 8 truncated posts in a 1-page thread.

(Yes, more than one of those were by Antonius!)

It was fun to skim over those great old posts!

Since Antonius was one to write offline and copied onto LTH, I am not surprised. It is also information people would miss and tear out their hair trying to imagine what they missed.

Thank you!

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:47 pm 
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Ok...I believe I have narrowed the scope of the project by 70%.

I wrote a script and I believe all of the potential truncated posts exist in the pages linked below. There are 843 pages linked (2017 pages didn't have bad characters) below...many of these pages will be fine, however, I believe that all of the bad posts are below. It would require a lot more work on my side to identify and exclude the pages that are displaying properly.

The thread #s are visible in the links below. In an effort to minimize duplicated effort, volunteers should post which links they are working on and Cathy can flag or remove those links.

Additionally, Cathy, you may want to test a small sample of the threads I have excluded to ensure my process is working properly.

Finally, you do not need to check every page of thread. The link below will take you to the potential offending page. If more than one page may have issues on a thread then there will be more than one link.


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