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Personally, my grocery bills have nor increased all that much. However, I generally keep a price book and adjust my menu completely based on what is on sale or available inexpensively. If you are patient and don't have a fixed menu in mind, you can work around a lot of the higher priced items.


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I treat my parsley and dill like flowers. I cut the stems off and put them in water. If they sit on the counter as opposed to the refrigerator, then they live just a bit shorter.

Cook's Illustrated had a tip that paralleled mine, except I think they added a plastic bag on top to keep from dehydrating.

I've done some extensive testing on storing herbs, and this is what I've found most effective, including the plastic bag or else putting them into a tall jar with a lid.

Most herbs go in the fridge. I try not to refrigerate basil -- it turns black.

And I find cilantro keeps best stored in the airtight jar, but without water; it loses flavor over time, but doesn't get slimy.

Don't wash until ready to use.

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Food prices then and now

The chart linked compares prices of various staples today, six months ago, and one, five, 10 and 20 years ago.

For the list of a dozen staples: $31.26, $30.99, $29.15, $26.29 and $21.98 respectively.

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Hi,

I was in a Big Lots on Sunday aka the land of discontinued food products. I bought four 15-ounce cans of canned apricots for 70 cents each. The intention is to make cobbler with them sometime. If you can find something you need there, then it will almost always be a decent price. It is also a cheap source of impulse buys for stuff you are simply curious about. Just don't fall in love with a product because you may never see it again anywhere.

Big Lots is also a good source for canning supplies in season. Some Big Lots also have a freezer section, but those are fairly rare.

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Food prices then and now

The chart linked compares prices of various staples today, six months ago, and one, five, 10 and 20 years ago.

For the list of a dozen staples: $31.26, $30.99, $29.15, $26.29 and $21.98 respectively.

It's unclear from the article whether they did the math to make 1988 dollars equivalent to 2008 dollars. (The article doesn't say that they did, which you'd think would be a prerequisite for an apples-to-apples, so to speak, comparison.) If they didn't, the Inflation Calculator I just consulted shows that the prices the article quotes from 2008 are actually considerably cheaper than the prices it quotes from 1988.


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It's unclear from the article whether they did the math to make 1988 dollars equivalent to 2008 dollars.

I think they must have, because, for example, they're pricing bread in 1988 at 94 cents a loaf, whereas according to the Consumer Price Index, a loaf of bread averaged 61 cents 20 years ago.

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riddlemay wrote:
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Food prices then and now

The chart linked compares prices of various staples today, six months ago, and one, five, 10 and 20 years ago.

For the list of a dozen staples: $31.26, $30.99, $29.15, $26.29 and $21.98 respectively.

It's unclear from the article whether they did the math to make 1988 dollars equivalent to 2008 dollars. (The article doesn't say that they did, which you'd think would be a prerequisite for an apples-to-apples, so to speak, comparison.) If they didn't, the Inflation Calculator I just consulted shows that the prices the article quotes from 2008 are actually considerably cheaper than the prices it quotes from 1988.

Actually, if you look at the price listing in the chart, the article does not include a full listing for 1988 (it appears they could not find prices for some items for 1988) -- the aggregate total only goes back to 10 years, so the $21.98 figure is for 1998. If the numbers are not inflation-adjusted, the 10 year figure once adjusted still comes out lower than the current number, but the difference is around $3, not $10.


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This is scary. I thought the matzo shortage on the coasts was simply stupid merchandising, but when a major U.S. retailer starts rationing something as basic as rice, that's serious.

Bloomberg wrote:
April 23 (Bloomberg) -- Wal-Mart Stores Inc.'s Sam's Club warehouse unit is restricting purchases of some types of rice to four bags a visit as prices reached a record in Chicago futures trading.

The limits on jasmine, basmati and long-grain white rice, a response to ``recent supply and demand trends,'' will be put into effect in all U.S. stores where allowed by law and are effective immediately, Sam's Club spokeswoman Kristy Reed said today in an e-mailed statement....

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/food/2008-04-23-sams-club-rice-limits_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip[/url]Reuters[/url] wrote:
NEW YORK (Reuters) — Wal-Mart Stores' (WMT) Sam's Club warehouse division said Wednesday that it is limiting sales of Jasmine, Basmati and long grain white rices "due to recent supply and demand trends."

The news came as rice prices surged, with U.S. rice futures hitting an all-time high Wednesday on worries about supply shortages. Rice for the most actively traded July contracted jumped 62 cents to $24.820 per 100 pounds on the Chicago Board of Trade, after earlier rising to a record $24.85.

Relentless demand from developing countries and poor crop yields have pushed rice prices up 70% so far this year, raising concerns of severe shortages of the staple food consumed by almost half the world's population....

One Wall Street Journal columnist is, quite seriously, recommending that consumers stockpile food.

Somebody find me a time machine. I want to go back to the '90s!

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was at jewel tonight- the cheapest loaf of bread (16 oz., white, jewel brand) was $2.89.

$2.89!!!

stockpiling food is the way to go now. sad the world is coming to this- but it was predicted long ago. i don't know- maybe the end times are approaching.


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The Sam's club thing is because commercial businesses are apparently buying up to stock pile (not unreasonable, given prices) and Sam's can't keep up. So they sell all their rice to 1 or 2 people, and then when more people come in, it's gone. They are limiting the sale of their larger quantity bags.

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Cathy2 wrote:
I was in a Big Lots on Sunday aka the land of discontinued food products. I bought four 15-ounce cans of canned apricots for 70 cents each. The intention is to make cobbler with them sometime. If you can find something you need there, then it will almost always be a decent price. It is also a cheap source of impulse buys for stuff you are simply curious about. Just don't fall in love with a product because you may never see it again anywhere.,


There is Big Lots and Deals. Dollar General. Dollar Tree. And nearly every Amish surplus store ...

The SO purchased 65 cans of Glory Foods greens last weekend at Dollar General.


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Though it's a good idea to be price-conscious when shopping at dollar stores, which I learned when shopping for the food desert project: at Dollar Tree, most stuff is a dollar - including cans of beans, which can be had for .49 at Jewel. Other stuff (C2's apricots being a case in point) can be real deals. Some of the key to navigating the rising cost of food is being aware of what the prices are in several places.

Another interesting tidbit - I sometimes check prices by searching on Peapod - but it seems that most items are priced higher than they would be at the Jewel (although apparently they are no longer directly affiliated with Jewel.)

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Though it's a good idea to be price-conscious when shopping at dollar stores, which I learned when shopping for the food desert project: at Dollar Tree, most stuff is a dollar - including cans of beans, which can be had for .49 at Jewel. Other stuff (C2's apricots being a case in point) can be real deals. Some of the key to navigating the rising cost of food is being aware of what the prices are in several places.


That is not exactly true. MANY of the canned food deals are 2/$1 or 3/$1 or on occasion 4/$1.

As retailing is a very low margin business - even Walmart only has about a 4% operating margin. you are going to see a lot of business bankruptcies coming up. Store closures are generally MOABO - the mother of all buying opportunities. Bring cash and plan to negotiate.


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The Food Stamp Challenge
I've thought about moving on from the Food Desert challenge to see if I could manage this one. I tried today to plug in some of the food desert ingredients into PeaPod to see how far I would get and I didn't even get a full recipe's worth of ingredients for this much money (granted, seasonings are expensive but go a long way after purchase.) It is important to point out that food stamps are intended to be supplemental, not a sole source of nutrition - but here is a food stamp eligibility calculatorfor Illinois.


I lived on food stamps in Illinois for a year as an Americorps*VISTA. My income was just about at the poverty level. I got about $100 a month on my Link card, which, given my income, was all I could really spend on food. It turned out to be pretty manageable since it was just me; I imagine it would be much more difficult with a family. However, during the time I was on food stamps, I lost about 12 pounds, which was over 10% of my weight at the time. I attribute the weight loss to the fact that I couldn't afford at all to make unplanned stops for food--not even anything extravagant, but if I ended up having to work late, for example, I didn't have the money to buy dinner out unless I could get somewhere where I could use my Link card. I ended up learning how to piece together decent meals from quick stops to grocery stores.


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el cid veggie burrito (w/black beans) before: $4.30

today, they have raised the price of the burrito to $5.95 (!) + an additional $0.50 to substitute black beans (!!!), which never had a surcharge before.

total price now is $6.45 + tax. OUCH!
no longer a cheap alternative for a quick veggie meal.

also, when asked for a new take out menu, they didn't have them available yet, which i find dubious. if raising prices, make sure to get the menus printed first.

FWIW, i won't be ordering from them for awhile, even though they are next door.

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I'm sure that many have already read this but just in case, both Costco and Sam's Club put limits on rice sales at their stores this week. While one of the main factors in rising food costs is scarcity, neither retailer would admit directly that scarcity was driving their actions, calling the move "precautionary."

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The USA Rice Federation has said there is no rice shortage in the United States.

But in a statement posted on its Web site, Sam's Club stated it was limiting members to four bags of imported jasmine, basmati and long-grain white rices to prevent supplies from running out.

"Like our competitors, we're just taking the precautionary step of limiting sales," it said. "This temporary restriction does not apply to retail-sized rice for sale in Sam's or elsewhere at Wal-Mart stores."

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Recession Diet Just One Way to Tighten Belt

By MICHAEL BARBARO and ERIC DASH

Stung by rising gasoline and food prices, Americans are finding creative ways to cut costs on routine items like groceries and clothing, forcing retailers, restaurants and manufacturers to decode the tastes of a suddenly thrifty public.

Spending data and interviews around the country show that middle- and working-class consumers are starting to switch from name brands to cheaper alternatives, to eat in instead of dining out and to fly at unusual hours to shave dollars off airfares.

Though seemingly small, the daily trade-offs they are making — more pasta and less red meat, more video rentals and fewer movie tickets — amount to an important shift in consumer behavior....

Burt Flickinger, a longtime retail consultant, said the last time he saw such significant changes in consumer buying patterns was the late 1970s, when runaway inflation prompted Americans to “switch from red meat to pork to poultry to pasta — then to peanut butter and jelly.”

“It hasn’t gotten to human food mixed with pet food yet,” he said, “but it is certainly headed in that direction”....

Ms. Dunaway, a homemaker, used to splurge on the ingredients for homemade lasagna, her husband’s favorite, before food prices began to surge this year.

“Now he’s lucky to get a 99-cent lasagna TV dinner, or maybe some Manwich out of a can,” she said. “I just can’t afford to be buying all that good meat and cheese like I used to”....

Interesting to note that some consumers' reaction to higher food prices is away from, rather than toward home cooking. I have noted that, if you aren't or can't afford to be concerned about quality, some processed items are cheaper than making the same dish at home.

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Just recieved an email from Congress.org: YES, I am worried about food prices I found it interesting that they specifically mention limits on rice as part of this political side of the issue.

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Hi,

Buried deep in my report from the Fancy Food Show was an interesting conversation on the rice issue.

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The conversation that made the whole day worthwhile:
I stopped at a booth of bulk sellers of rice and grains. I inquired about the rice shortage, was it really real? I asked a guy who represented two different rice co-ops whose membership was 500 and 1500 (possibly 2000) rice growers. While in the USA and Canada, there is no shortage of rice. There are rice shortages worldwide due to crop failures in Australia and Asia.

He then outlined what was happening using the Phillipines as an example. The Filippinos eat rice 3X a day, it is an essential element in their diet. They normally buy their rice from Vietnam or Australia, where both had rice crop failures. Their need for rice is so great, they now turn to the United States for rice. They are willing to pay a premium to the domestic price to get this rice. It is his responsibility to get the best price for his rice co-ops, which presently is the international market. To sell domestically, he can only do this responsibly by offering the export price to domestic customers. While we have no shortage per se, the world market forces are influencing the final price of our domestic rice.

Domestic rice customers are now being granted allotments instead of buying all that they want. Domestic customers who may have abandoned contracts in the past who may be revisiting his co-ops as a source are being turned away. Sam's Club and Costco are not used to being given allotments. They also don't accept price increases less than 60 days advance warning. The rice market is so dynamic that price increase of 15% in a month is not unheard of presently. When one of his regular customers advised they will accept no more than a 2% increase, then he declines to sell them rice. He advised the U.S. market, due to these allotments, will have no shortage of rice though it will be paying more for rice.

Recognizing these events run in cycles, I learned the next rice harvest is not until October 15th. He was of the opinion this worldwide shortage of rice will likely not ease for a few years. If there is another crop failure, then I can see that may continue. If there isn't, then I cannot see how this could carry on for years. We both agreed we would have to wait and see what happens.

I commented I had not seen bananas at Costco for the last few months. He suggested it could be a similar issue like for the rice. A cost increase Costco would not accept, which meant the product was withdrawn from their offerings.


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Rising food cost news round-up:

School kids feel the bite of high food prices, CNN reports. Rising prices have forced school cafeterias to cut corners on kids' lunches. Even the Ivy League feels the pinch, notes the The Boston Herald: "Harvard is the world’s richest university, yet it recently pulled whole grain pasta from the dining service menu, replaced cherry tomatoes with wedges and even started using more chicken thighs in lieu of breasts."

Families on food stamps are going hungry, according to CNN, even as their legions increase. "The maximum food stamp benefit no longer covers the cost of the 'thrifty food plan,' the menu of food items the government uses to calculate its allotment."

The high prices don't help farmers, Michigan live reports, due to the equally soaring costs of fuel and animal feed. That means we can expect pork and chicken prices to rise in next wave of food inflation, AP predicts.

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This thread is getting scary! It's as though we can hear the wolf's footsteps getting louder & louder with each added post.

On the bright side, this should cure the American obesity epidemic, shouldn't it? :twisted:

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Liz in Norwood Park wrote:
This thread is getting scary! It's as though we can hear the wolf's footsteps getting louder & louder with each added post.

On the bright side, this should cure the American obesity epidemic, shouldn't it? :twisted:


I roll my eyes when I read the words "American Obesity Epidemic" but, that's for another post. And, I understand you're kidding(what with the emoticon an' all).

No, it won't have any impact on supposed AOE because if one entertains statistical gastronomic myopia one sees no reduction in diets heavy in fast food and processed food. Those "obese Americans" aren't substituting skinless chicken breasts and rice for Perdue frozen bourbon nuggets and "the San Francisco Treat."

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You are correct that I am kidding. You know what is funny? There was no "epidemic" until the BMI was invented. The BMI index is a stupid way of gauging physical fitness. According to the BMI, most football players are obese.

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Like the general media, this thread has really piled on with the doomsday talk of a food crisis. Here's some counter-thought...

For most of the last 10 years, food costs in the U.S. have been at unprecendented low levels as a percentage of disposable income.

If average food costs fully doubled (which, as I can tell, no one is predicting will happen anytime soon), they would still be significantly lower as a percentage of disposable income than they were during times of true crisis, including the Great Depression.

Talk of "crisis" sells newspapers and gets viewership, so it's easy to find article after article about doomsday on the front page of the newspaper and headlining the evening news. Meanwhile, thoughtful opposing viewpoints that argue against the notion of crisis are relegated to the "Dining & Wine" section of major newspapers - if, that is, they get published at all.

Lots of football players are obese, and they die as a result.

Here's a source of statistics backing up my first 2 points.


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According to the BMI, a person 6 feet tall and weighing 190 pounds is overweight, bordering on obese (add 15 pound and you are in the obese zone). So, how many 6' tall 215 pound football players have you seen that are FAT, not muscular?

Edited because I didn't calculate correctly.

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Liz in Norwood Park wrote:
According to the BMI, a person 6 feet tall and weighing 190 pounds is overweight, bordering on obese (add 15 pound and you are in the obese zone). So, how many 6' tall 215 pound football players have you seen that are FAT, not muscular?

Edited because I didn't calculate correctly.


Taking strict BMI, ignoring things such as activity, body fat ratios, etc., many athletes are classified as obese. It's silly, and because of the square-cube law (as height increases, surface area and cross-section increases in proportion to the square of the height, and mass by the cube of the height), the BMI breaks down badly outside of the normal range of human height.

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A person who weighs 190 lbs and is 6'0" has a BMI of 25.8, which is slightly above the cutoff between normal and overweight.

Liz, you've brought up a lot of issues.

First, all epidemiologists know that BMI is an imperfect indicator of how healthy or unhealthy a person's weight it. BMI doesn't distinguish between muscle weight and fat weight. The fact that it is not a perfect measure, however, doesn't mean it is a useless measure. It mean that you have to use a little thought. A person who has an above average amount of muscle (for their weight) is probably at a healthier weight than what the BMI tables indicate; a person who has an above average amount of fat (for their weight) is probably at a less healthy weight than what the BMI tables indicate. So we need to use a little judgment when interpreting the BMI tables.

Second, the idea that there wasn't an "epidemic" until the BMI was invented is not accurate. (Let's put aside the term "epidemic" since it's a bit of a loaded term. I think we can all agree that the average weight in the country is rising faster than our average height, which is all the rising BMI tells us.) The idea of using a ratio of weight to height to measure an aspect of health is a very old idea, perhaps 200 years old. The specific formula in the BMI maybe newer, but the concept underlying it is very old.

Our best national estimates of weight/height, or BMI, come from a survey called the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (or NHANES). The first wave of this survey began in the early 1970s. The rising BMI trend is basically the trend based on data from this survey, from the 1970s to today. We don't have great national data on trends prior to 1970, but the spotty evidence that we do have indicates that weight/height wasn't rising that much prior to this time.

Now, it's an open question whether rising BMIs are really bad, a little bad, or not that bad at all. My view is that *on average* rising BMI is bad because most people with high BMI are fat, not muscular.


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I defer to you on all points, since you seem to know way more about this than I do.

But how do you know that most people with high BMI are more fat than muscle? Is that factual or just opinion?

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Kennyz wrote:
Like the general media, this thread has really piled on with the doomsday talk of a food crisis. Here's some counter-thought...

For most of the last 10 years, food costs in the U.S. have been at unprecendented low levels as a percentage of disposable income.

If average food costs fully doubled (which, as I can tell, no one is predicting will happen anytime soon), they would still be significantly lower as a percentage of disposable income than they were during times of true crisis, including the Great Depression.

Talk of "crisis" sells newspapers and gets viewership, so it's easy to find article after article about doomsday on the front page of the newspaper and headlining the evening news. Meanwhile, thoughtful opposing viewpoints that argue against the notion of crisis are relegated to the "Dining & Wine" section of major newspapers - if, that is, they get published at all.


Honestly, as the person who does all of the shopping for my family, I have to disagree with you Kennyz. I'm already at the point where I'm making some serious sacrifices with our overall budget so that I can continue to feed my kids nutritious meals on a daily basis. I've always been extremely conscientious about getting the most for our $$$ (clipping coupons, shopping around, buying on sale, buying cheaper cuts of meat, etc) and I've still had to increase my weekly food budget by almost 30% since Christmas as a direct result of the rise in food prices. That's huge for a family that doesn't have much in the way of wiggle room where finances are concerned (because we budget for food purchases just like we do every other major monthly expense.)

This is not simply an issue manufactured and sensationalized by the press. Food prices are going up every week, and my average American family is having a very hard time dealing with that reality. Just to give you a few examples, the gallon jugs of milk I buy every week have gone up over a dollar each, a 5 pound bag of flour has gone up over two dollars a bag, a loaf of bread has gone up by as much as a dollar, and that's all just off the top of my head. Perhaps my analysis is unscientific, but my experience is still very real.

(I actually go out of my way to shop at a Meijer in Indiana because it consistently has better prices than any place here in Chicago I can find, and it is where I have noted the increased food prices.)

Just my $.02


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