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Frontyard Farming in Suburbia

This is an intriguing article, with video, that addresses the "movement" to convert was once lawn to farmland.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1208824 ... trepreneur

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I imagine towns, cities, and even subdivisions will be putting ordinances on the books, or adding covenants that make front yard farming illegal, or not allowed in some areas. I wouldnt want to look at a front yard farm, I prefer the green grass of suburbia. Just my humble opinion.

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I imagine towns, cities, and even subdivisions will be putting ordinances on the books, or adding covenants that make front yard farming illegal, or not allowed in some areas. I wouldnt want to look at a front yard farm, I prefer the green grass of suburbia. Just my humble opinion.


Same here, of course this is coming from a person with plenty of room for a garden in the back yard.

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stevez wrote:
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I imagine towns, cities, and even subdivisions will be putting ordinances on the books, or adding covenants that make front yard farming illegal, or not allowed in some areas. I wouldnt want to look at a front yard farm, I prefer the green grass of suburbia. Just my humble opinion.


Same here, of course this is coming from a person with plenty of room for a garden in the back yard.


me too, perhaps I am being a little selfish, but I am more concerned with quality of life, and resale values to see things from the other sides point of view.

A garden anywhere on my lot would be tough, I dont know how I could keep the deer from getting in to it, I have a hard enough time trying to control(unsucessfully) the moles, and gophers that like to torment me.

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I imagine towns, cities, and even subdivisions will be putting ordinances on the books, or adding covenants that make front yard farming illegal, or not allowed in some areas. I wouldnt want to look at a front yard farm, I prefer the green grass of suburbia. Just my humble opinion.


Same here, of course this is coming from a person with plenty of room for a garden in the back yard.


I'm not ready to tear up my new front lawn (work-in-progress) to put in a garden, but I am seriously thinking of slicing into my backyard to create more growing space. With the rising cost of food, having a garden almost makes economic sense.

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I think I've mentioned this before: In Grant Park, near the statues of The Bowman and the Spearman there is an ornamental vegetable garden that is quite pretty. That being said, there are plenty of plants that are ornamental as well as edible: I plan to put a dwarf yellow Swiss Chard in my front planter baskets this year.

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I imagine towns, cities, and even subdivisions will be putting ordinances on the books, or adding covenants that make front yard farming illegal, or not allowed in some areas. I wouldnt want to look at a front yard farm, I prefer the green grass of suburbia. Just my humble opinion.


Same here, of course this is coming from a person with plenty of room for a garden in the back yard.


I'm not ready to tear up my new front lawn (work-in-progress) to put in a garden, but I am seriously thinking of slicing into my backyard to create more growing space. With the rising cost of food, having a garden almost makes economic sense.


Sounds like a good plan.

I wish i had the time to plant a garden, & care for it. It would cut down on the grass I have to mow(almost an acre which takes me over 2 hours to mow), and allow me to enjoy a hobby I used to love as a youth.

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Mhays wrote:
I think I've mentioned this before: In Grant Park, near the statues of The Bowman and the Spearman there is an ornamental vegetable garden that is quite pretty. That being said, there are plenty of plants that are ornamental as well as edible: I plan to put a dwarf yellow Swiss Chard in my front planter baskets this year.

If you keep your eyes open, you can see all kinds of edible plants being used as ornamentals. Last summer, there were sweet potatoes growing on Michigan Avenue. It just takes some creativity. If you do it right, your neighbors may not even notice that you're growing food plants in the front yard.

Rosalind Creasey's Edible Landscaping is a seminal work on this subject.

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Hi,

On Sheridan Road in Evanston last summer, someone had planted tomato plants on the parkway in front of their house.

I have two trees in my parkway, where there are regular chives and Chinese chives mixed in with perennials and annuals circled around them. I am about to have my annual problem of finding new homes for the new Chinese chive babies that sprouted since last year. This is the north side of the lot, which means not everything has broken dormancy yet.

My garden is more aimed at pretty, than at food. My front yard has a lot less grass now than three years ago. I have more ornamental plantings and mulch, which is far less maintenance.

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I find this interesting because my house (which is more than 100 years old) was once part of a farm (at least that's what the local Historical Society tells me).

However, now that my house is on a busy street, I doubt I would plant vegetables in the front yard. We have enough problems with people throwing garbage in our yard, and I wouldn't want to encourage them to run all over my lawn and pick my veggies. I'll just keep them in the back this year.

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Mhays wrote:
I think I've mentioned this before: In Grant Park, near the statues of The Bowman and the Spearman there is an ornamental vegetable garden that is quite pretty.

Apparently this garden is being used as an international example.

Designed for the Prince Regent by the architect John Nash, Regent's Park is noted for its lovingly tended blooms. But soon the flower beds of that - and other London royal parks - could make way for rows of humble carrots, cabbages and globe artichokes.

In a plan inspired by American cities, the royal parks are pondering the creation of a string of model allotments to give the public a living, ripening illustration of the virtues of growing your own fruit and vegetables.

"The royal parks' role is not to have huge areas of land changed, but to act as a demonstration area to show what can be achieved," said Colin Buttery, the parks' chief executive. "We very much want to support the idea of people growing their food by doing small-scale demonstrations."

Buttery was one of a group of London officials who visited the US this year to see how American cities were feeding themselves. "We went to Grant Park in Chicago and they had some quite formal beds that had been converted into vegetable production but which were still quite physically and floristically attractive," he said. "They were clearly producing food but they had selected certain vegetables to give structure to the beds, so they had globe artichokes that produce flowers as well as a product"....

Does anyone know whether the Grant Park vegetables are actually harvested and put to any use?

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LAZ wrote:
Rosalind Creasey's Edible Landscaping is a seminal work on this subject.


Man, I love that book. I don't even remembered how I stumbled onto it as a college student 15 or so years ago (I guess in the pre-surfing days I wandered around the library), but it really made an impression on me. I can't wait to get out of the condo w/deck phase of my life and move onto my own yard.

My mom just sent me this link: http://www.garden.org/ediblelandscaping/. You really can grow a lot without looking like a farm.


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Here's a nice article on Roger Doiron, an advocate of edible landscaping who is urging a kitchen garden at the White House through his website, EattheView.org.

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Doiron is pushing for edible landscapes everywhere from schoolyards to governor's mansions to empty urban plots. But his eyes are on the White House.

He wants the candidates to pledge they'll turn a piece of the 18-acre White House terrain into an edible garden. Or rather, return it into an edible garden.

After all, John Adams, the first president to live in the White House, had a garden to feed his family. Woodrow Wilson had a Liberty Garden and sheep grazing during the First World War. And, of course, the Roosevelts famously had their Victory Garden during World War II, a time when 40 percent of the nation's produce came from citizen gardeners.

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Maybe the key to future buidling in the suburbs is simply to move the houses forward to sidewalk level, combining the "front" lawn space with the back yard to allow for recreational a/o farming use... That is if you believe suburbs will still exist en masse...


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Slow Food Nation is apparently putting a food garden in at Civic Center Plaza in San Francisco, but only temporarily.

A hollow victory for urban gardening movement

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Since it looks like it might be another good weekend for seed catalog wishing, I thought it might be time to resurrect this subject.

We've decided to try adding an edible garden to the front yard. We'll probably put in a few blueberry bushes and some herbs, but we're open to suggestions. I guess the main consideration is to group plantings, rather than growing row crops.

Does anyone have an experience with this? Will just about any type of vegetable work -- so long as it's not too "sprawling?"

The west side of the lot drops off fairly steeply. Any recommendations for a sunny slippery slope?

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Key question is whether you have deer in the area. They have eaten my raspberries and currants, despite being in a somewhat protected side yard.


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Rabbits are the problem where I live. You have to have some sort of physical barrier or they will eat just about about everything. They are not too fond of tomatoes or peppers, so you could try that. Pepper plants are fairly attractive.

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Although my neighbors would never know it, I grow rhubarb, thyme and chives in my front yard. The trees I've planeted either do or will yield edibles (Cornealan Cherry dogwood, persimmion and pawpaw) and I've had squirrel planted squash and gourds grow there as well.

I live in an old house on a 50' wide lot with a very typical 25' setback. It isn't a large front yard by any stretch and I find that an artistic placement of these plants gives me both good eats and good looks.

A little imagination, a little thought to the design and some good plants can be combined very effectively and fairly easily.

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Although my neighbors would never know it, I grow rhubarb, thyme and chives in my front yard. The trees I've planeted either do or will yield edibles (Cornealan Cherry dogwood, persimmion and pawpaw)


Dianne -- I envy your persimmons. Some years ago when I lived in Indianapolis, the neighbors had a persimmon tree and guave us a nearly unlimited supply.

Rabbits will surely be a problem. Perhaps a stew is in order....


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I picked up a used copy of "Square Foot Gardening," and am motivated to take my first stab at growing some vegetables and herbs this summer. But for the neighborhood I live in, I wouldn't dream of converting front yard space to vegetable gardening, and I'm even nervous about growing vegetables in the garden on the side of the house that's visible from the sidewalk. (Perhaps here's where I can sneak in a few vegetable and/or herb plants that have good ornamental qualities). I think I'll have to confine my edible garden mostly to the back yard.

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I picked up a used copy of "Square Foot Gardening," and am motivated to take my first stab at growing some vegetables and herbs this summer. But for the neighborhood I live in, I wouldn't dream of converting front yard space to vegetable gardening, and I'm even nervous about growing vegetables in the garden on the side of the house that's visible from the sidewalk. (Perhaps here's where I can sneak in a few vegetable and/or herb plants that have good ornamental qualities). I think I'll have to confine my edible garden mostly to the back yard.


I'm going to guess that the sight of vegetables growing everywhere will start to be a less common experience. The front yard still seems a little iffy, but growing in places merely "visible" to the public seems increasingly unsurprising. Some vegetables, like peppers and herbs, are almost decorative, and might not even call attention to themselves as produce (as if that mattered, and soon it probably won't),

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I'm thinking that mixing some edible plants in with whatever grows in the side garden will not attract too much attention. Also, the side of the house doesn't get as much sun as the back yard does, but it still gets a lot.

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I grew some field corn in my front yard in Oak Park for the hell of it. Nobody said anything.

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LAZ wrote:
Mhays wrote:
I think I've mentioned this before: In Grant Park, near the statues of The Bowman and the Spearman there is an ornamental vegetable garden that is quite pretty.

Apparently this garden is being used as an international example.

Designed for the Prince Regent by the architect John Nash, Regent's Park is noted for its lovingly tended blooms. But soon the flower beds of that - and other London royal parks - could make way for rows of humble carrots, cabbages and globe artichokes.

In a plan inspired by American cities, the royal parks are pondering the creation of a string of model allotments to give the public a living, ripening illustration of the virtues of growing your own fruit and vegetables.

"The royal parks' role is not to have huge areas of land changed, but to act as a demonstration area to show what can be achieved," said Colin Buttery, the parks' chief executive. "We very much want to support the idea of people growing their food by doing small-scale demonstrations."

Buttery was one of a group of London officials who visited the US this year to see how American cities were feeding themselves. "We went to Grant Park in Chicago and they had some quite formal beds that had been converted into vegetable production but which were still quite physically and floristically attractive," he said. "They were clearly producing food but they had selected certain vegetables to give structure to the beds, so they had globe artichokes that produce flowers as well as a product"....

Does anyone know whether the Grant Park vegetables are actually harvested and put to any use?


That garden is planted and managed by Growing Power and their youth corps. Much of the harvest is donated to food pantries and a good portion of it is sold at farmers markets. It's an incredible project which proves that cities and farms can coexist.

Personally, I live on a major thoroughfare in the north suburbs. I took out all of the sod on my double lot and planted it with edible landscaping. My neighbors have been encouraging and excited. I can't believe how many people have introduced themselves to me and asked growing questions.
No one has ever helped themselves to my produce, although I did find an elderly woman basking in the sun on one of the paths. I encouraged her to enjoy herself.

If you want to find a low labor way to participate in a project like this, look at Bill Mollison's books on Permaculture, Toby Hemminway's Gaia's Garden or Bill Wilson's great site and terrific classes at midwestpermaculture.com.


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Although my neighbors would never know it, I grow rhubarb, thyme and chives in my front yard. The trees I've planeted either do or will yield edibles (Cornealan Cherry dogwood, persimmion and pawpaw


I've never had paw paw...is it any good?


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I haven't eaten any from my tree as it isn't big enough to yield fruit yet (and the ciccadas got to it a bit) but I have eaten local Pawpaw. They're kind of creamy and banana-ish and hard to compare to anything else. I've eaten tea bread made from it and that's good too.

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Some 45% of Vancouver Canada’s residents grow fruit, vegetables, nuts or herbs in containers, in their yards or one of the 17 community gardens dotted about the city.

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Funny this should pop up - this year, since I'm no longer renting a plot, I've slowly been sneaking ornamental-looking edible plants into my front garden. Thus far, I have a rhubarb in my rock garden, asparagus among my ferns, and hot peppers in the sunny area. I have seedlings for swiss chard, amaranth (callallo) and edible chrysanthemum that I'll add in later. When it looks good, I'll post pics.

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Mhays wrote:
Funny this should pop up - this year, since I'm no longer renting a plot, I've slowly been sneaking ornamental-looking edible plants into my front garden. Thus far, I have a rhubarb in my rock garden, asparagus among my ferns, and hot peppers in the sunny area. I have seedlings for swiss chard, amaranth (callallo) and edible chrysanthemum that I'll add in later. When it looks good, I'll post pics.


I envy your rhubarb. When my folks had a cottage in Wisconsin, they had a couple of rhubarb plants on the property. I keep thinking I should ask my condo association if I could plant one...

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