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 Post subject: Re: Rising cost of food
PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 7:14 pm 
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Wasn't being sarcastic - "introduced higher risk (reduction of disease abatement from less stringent" is a long list of adjectives to wade through. I don't have an opinon one way or the other on this issue.

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AP wrote:
Honey bee crisis could lead to higher food prices

By STEPHANIE S. GARLOW

WASHINGTON (AP) — Food prices could rise even more unless the mysterious decline in honey bees is solved, farmers and businessmen told lawmakers Thursday.

"No bees, no crops," North Carolina grower Robert D. Edwards told a House Agriculture subcommittee. Edwards said he had to cut his cucumber acreage in half because of the lack of bees available to rent.

About three-quarters of flowering plants rely on birds, bees and other pollinators to help them reproduce. Bee pollination is responsible for $15 billion annually in crop value.

In 2006, beekeepers began reporting losing 30 percent to 90 percent of their hives. This phenomenon has become known as Colony Collapse Disorder. Scientists do not know how many bees have died; beekeepers have lost 36 percent of their managed colonies this year. It was 31 percent for 2007, said Edward B. Knipling, administrator of the Agriculture Department's Agricultural Research Service.

"If there are no bees, there is no way for our nation's farmers to continue to grow the high quality, nutritious foods our country relies on," said Democratic Rep. Dennis Cardoza of California, chairman of the horticulture and organic agriculture panel. "This is a crisis we cannot afford to ignore."

Food prices have gone up 83 percent in three years, according to the World Bank....

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 Post subject: Re: Rising cost of food
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Hi,

In my mushroom club, there are several people who are members of the local bee society. Every time I have asked them about this bee issue, they said it is a natural phenomena that bee colonies occasionally disapeer. They roll their eyes claiming what they have read is more hysteria. As for bee colonies being transported around the country, that is simply considered a business. While I have read some accounts like it is an effort to save the planet.

If and when my friends begin to respond differently, then I will report back.

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In my mushroom club, there are several people who are members of the local bee society. Every time I have asked them about this bee issue, they said it is a natural phenomena that bee colonies occasionally disapeer. They roll their eyes claiming what they have read is more hysteria.


I've heard the same thing from owners of apiaries at farmer's markets.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:43 am 
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That's good to hear, Cathy! I admit, the Colony Collapse news stories have always scared me more than a little bit. It sounds too much like the start of a bad END OF THE WORLD movie, where something seemingly small causes the End of Everything. I will admit it is possible I watch too many such movies.

But I do trust People Who Know Things, so I'll try not to (continue to) worry.

(Unrelated, but back in the big Y2K scare in late 1999 my mom worked for a regional water filtration company. I cannot begin to express my horror when she came home from work and informed me that the engineers who worked and lived in the area around our home told her that filling the bathtub and any water jugs we could with water before the turn to 2000 was probably a good idea, as important computers were still not passing tests. This was only for a small-town area in a far away state, and everything ended up working fine after some minor problems in the first 6 hours of the new year, but I've never been so scared in my life as when People Who Know Things told me to worry.)


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I'd always viewed this news with a certain amount of skepticism, because wouldn't home gardens (without access to rented commercial hives) be affected first? I haven't noticed any lack of bees, or at least of pollination. Besides that, aren't honeybees a European import, which would imply that many indigenous crops (corn, peppers, tomatoes) are, or at least were, pollinated by something else?

However, there's been quite a bit of buy-in commercially: Haagen Dazs Help the Honeybees and the PBS Nature program morbidly entitled Silence of the Bees IIRC (I saw it a long time ago) there's an interesting segment in the PBS progam about Asian pear farmers hand-pollinating their crop.

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 Post subject: Re: Rising cost of food
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I tend to take the long view(and Chicken Little was never all that tasty) when it comes to these dire prophecies. Agreed, bee-disappearances are probably cyclical(I need to drag out my original bee books: Root's Quinby's New Beekeeping 1882, Root and Son's ABC & XYZ of Bee Culture 1917, and D. Everett Lyon's How to Keep Bees for Profit 1910...see what these seminal bee-ologists have to say on the matter). I've also heard word that part of the issue might be poor beekeeping practices on a mass-manufacturing level...go figure.

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 Post subject: Re: Rising cost of food
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Some sobering statistics from a new study on Chicago's working poor, according to Crain's.
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Chicago-area working-poor families are struggling to afford one of life’s basic needs: food.

In a survey of 301 working-poor residents of Cook County by the Greater Chicago Food Depository, 61% said their families had faced financial difficulties in securing food in the past year.

Forty-nine percent of the respondents identified three or more examples of their poor circumstances, including a lack of money to buy groceries, skipping meals to stretch the food they had or simply going hungry....

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 Post subject: Re: Rising cost of food
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According to the latest American Farm Bureau Federation Marketbasket Survey, retail food prices continued to rise in the second quarter of 2008, although not as precipitously as in the first quarter.
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The informal survey shows the total cost of 16 basic grocery items in the second quarter of 2008 was $46.67, up about 3.5 percent or $1.64 from the first quarter of 2008.

Of the 16 items surveyed, 14 increased and two decreased in average price compared to the 2008 first-quarter survey. Compared to one year ago, the overall cost for the marketbasket items showed an increase of about 8.5 percent.

Two types of cooking oil and bacon showed the largest retail price increases. A 32-oz. bottle of corn oil was up 47 cents to $3.48, a 32-oz. bottle of vegetable oil rose 38 cents to $3.01 and one pound of bacon was up 22 cents to $3.57.

Other items that increased in price were: flour, up 18 cents to $2.57 for a 5-pound bag; apples, up 14 cents to $1.54 per pound; whole fryer chickens, up 12 cents to $1.47 per pound; a 20-oz. loaf of white bread, up 12 cents to $1.90; ground chuck, up 12 cents to $2.85 per pound; pork chops, up 9 cents to $3.40 per pound; Russet potatoes, up 8 cents to $2.55 for a 5-pound bag; 1 gallon of whole milk, up 7 cents to $3.88; mayonnaise, up 5 cents to $3.19 for a 32-ounce jar; sirloin tip roast, up 4 cents to $3.84 per pound; and a 9-oz. box of toasted oat cereal, up 1 cent to $2.98 per box.

Items that decreased in price were: 1 dozen large eggs, down 34 cents to $1.82 and 1 pound of cheddar cheese, down 11 cents to $4.60....

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 Post subject: Re: Rising cost of food
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Britain declares ware on food waste

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The Government is to launch a campaign to stamp out Britain's waste food mountains as part of a global effort to curb spiralling food prices.

Supermarkets will be urged to drop "three for two" deals on food that encourage shoppers into bulk-buying more than they need, often leading to the surpluses being thrown away. The scandal of the vast mountains of food that are thrown away in Britain while other parts of the world starve is revealed in a Cabinet Office report today. It calls for a reduction in food waste: up to 40 per cent of groceries can be lost before they are consumed due to poor processing, storage and transport.

The report says UK households could save an average of £420 per year by not throwing away 4.1 million tonnes of food that could have been eaten.

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What would be their response to Costco and Sam's Club?

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 Post subject: Re: Rising cost of food
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Cathy2 wrote:
Britain declares ware on food waste

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The Government is to launch a campaign to stamp out Britain's waste food mountains as part of a global effort to curb spiralling food prices.

Supermarkets will be urged to drop "three for two" deals on food that encourage shoppers into bulk-buying more than they need, often leading to the surpluses being thrown away. The scandal of the vast mountains of food that are thrown away in Britain while other parts of the world starve is revealed in a Cabinet Office report today. It calls for a reduction in food waste: up to 40 per cent of groceries can be lost before they are consumed due to poor processing, storage and transport.

The report says UK households could save an average of £420 per year by not throwing away 4.1 million tonnes of food that could have been eaten.

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What would be their response to Costco and Sam's Club?

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Geez, all those deals over the years ... were we supposed to be throwing away all the excess?

Honestly, most people that I know find ways of using up food that they purchase before it goes bad.


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 Post subject: Re: Rising cost of food
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The only times I find myself having to throw away food that goes bad before I have a chance to eat it is when I've made the horrible mistake of going grocery shopping hungry and have let myself purchase a few too many impulse buys. :shock: That will doom me every time. Otherwise it isn't too hard to tell the difference between a "buy two get one free" deal that I'll actually be able to use, and one that will go to waste.


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jlawrence01 wrote:
Honestly, most people that I know find ways of using up food that they purchase before it goes bad.

They must not be British. :roll:

I admit that I sometimes get carried away in the produce department. I also sometimes overestimate the keeping qualities of bread (or the capacity of my freezer).

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 Post subject: Re: Rising cost of food
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OK, did an evening's shopping at the local Jewel, mostly in an effort to save gas (and partly to pick up the Aaron's Kosher Chicken that Stevez and other LTHers turned me on to) I've been shopping in my garden and at the farmer's markets since school was out, so I was horrified when I got to the checkout.

Now I'm curious: it seemed that almost all the pantry staples and produce items were upwards of double what I paid at Marketplace on Oakton (jarred olives and peppers, fresh lemons, canned fish, etc.) I'm curious - am I just so out of it that the prices have gone up there, too - or is it a false economy to try to save the gas? I mean, I spent at minimum an extra $30 on items whose prices were double what I remember. (instead of about an 8-mile round trip, so figure maybe 1/2 gallon of gas? $2? Did I get that about right? Sigh.)

I cannot wait until we have our grocery at Asbury and Oakton - that could mean a real savings if it's both in gas and in grocery.

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OK, did an evening's shopping at the local Jewel, mostly in an effort to save gas (and partly to pick up the Aaron's Kosher Chicken that Stevez and other LTHers turned me on to) I've been shopping in my garden and at the farmer's markets since school was out, so I was horrified when I got to the checkout.

Now I'm curious: it seemed that almost all the pantry staples and produce items were upwards of double what I paid at Marketplace on Oakton (jarred olives and peppers, fresh lemons, canned fish, etc.) I'm curious - am I just so out of it that the prices have gone up there, too - or is it a false economy to try to save the gas? I mean, I spent at minimum an extra $30 on items whose prices were double what I remember. (instead of about an 8-mile round trip, so figure maybe 1/2 gallon of gas? $2? Did I get that about right? Sigh.)

I cannot wait until we have our grocery at Asbury and Oakton - that could mean a real savings if it's both in gas and in grocery.


In my neighborhood too, Jewel prices have doubled while locally-owned grocery stores (including Cermak and Harvest Times) with higher quality produce, meat, and service have remained steady.

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Shame on me. Shame, shame on me!

I'm going to take my $5 bag of lemons and make bitter, bitter lemonade :( .

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Just because colony collapse disorder hasn't hit our area, doesn't mean it's not real.

Sting, an article from the New Yorker.

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Jewel has never been an inexpensive store. I've been informally comparing prices at Whole Foods and Jewel for a long time, and they have always been roughly equal.

Harvastime has great prices on produce and meat. Pantry items are quite expensive there, however.


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eatchicago wrote:
Cathy2 wrote:
In my mushroom club, there are several people who are members of the local bee society. Every time I have asked them about this bee issue, they said it is a natural phenomena that bee colonies occasionally disapeer. They roll their eyes claiming what they have read is more hysteria.


I've heard the same thing from owners of apiaries at farmer's markets.


I don't know anything about bees, but I have a thing for stories about bees in Paris. If folks are really worried about the disappearing critters, maybe a few gumshoes should be hired... :D

NY Times wrote:
HIRES SLEUTH TO TRACE PREDATORY BEES; Paris Confectioner Then Brings Suit Against the Ministry of Fine Arts for Damages.
September 25, 1924, Thursday

PARIS, Sept. 24. -- A Paris detective has just had the strangest job probably ever performed by his profession. M. Lamande, living in the Avenue des Gobelins, hired him to trace the coming and going of bees that annoyed him...


(Full article here)


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NY Times wrote:
HIRES SLEUTH TO TRACE PREDATORY BEES; Paris Confectioner Then Brings Suit Against the Ministry of Fine Arts for Damages.
September 25, 1924, Thursday

PARIS, Sept. 24. -- A Paris detective has just had the strangest job probably ever performed by his profession. M. Lamande, living in the Avenue des Gobelins, hired him to trace the coming and going of bees that annoyed him...


(Full article here)


This is no sillier than the enactment of a bee-control law in Evanston, effectively banning beekeeping. While it is true that there are a number of possible problems with keeping bees in a densely poplulated environment, this law struck me as using (forgive me) a hammer to swat a fly.

*edited to address previously bad editing...

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Mhays wrote:
happy_stomach wrote:
NY Times wrote:
HIRES SLEUTH TO TRACE PREDATORY BEES; Paris Confectioner Then Brings Suit Against the Ministry of Fine Arts for Damages.
September 25, 1924, Thursday

PARIS, Sept. 24. -- A Paris detective has just had the strangest job probably ever performed by his profession. M. Lamande, living in the Avenue des Gobelins, hired him to trace the coming and going of bees that annoyed him...


(Full article here)


This is no sillier than the enactment of a bee-control lawyear in Evanston, effectively banning beekeeping. While it is true that there are a number of possible problems with keeping bees in a densely poplulated environment, this law struck me as using (forgive me) a hammer to swat a fly.


Is there a list somewhere of using-a-hammer-to-swat-a-fly Evanston laws? I've got a running mental list... :twisted:


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Epicurious has an interesting article on cost savings. Though I don't know how they justify anything at $7.29/lb being on that list.

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Mhays wrote:
Epicurious has an interesting article on cost savings. Though I don't know how they justify anything at $7.29/lb being on that list.


Quite odd that they'd list flank steak and not something like chuck roast.


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I cannot wait until we have our grocery at Asbury and Oakton - that could mean a real savings if it's both in gas and in grocery.


Speaking of which, do you have any idea what's going on with this project? Is it just stalled, or sincerely dead, due to the economy? How much TIF money did Evanston fork over to the owners/developers, if any? To be honest, I thought it folly to begin with, seeing as there are not one, but two WF stores in Evanston already, one of which has to be no more than a mile or so away, and which has a liquor license, which they don't exactly give away with wild abandon up here...


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So far as I know, the store is slated to open in Easter; it's stalled because the new owners are expanding the building into what used to be the drive-thru area.

There isn't a TIF there, (TIF money has to be used in the TIF area.) Not sure what other dollars the City put into it, but I know they are meeting regularly with the owners. I hope it isn't folly - but since there were over 100 people at the opening meeting, there are certainly people who want to use the store. I don't think it's a competitor for Whole Foods, more for the people like me who would rather not drive out to Skokie.

What's interesting is that both WF stores remain open in this economy; I have to admit, the few times that I've made purchases there, I've kind of alternated depending on where I was. I wonder if they're getting enough business to keep both open, or if they're just stalling.

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Over the past 60 days, we've been seeing prices soften at my place of business (we deal mainly in commodity-type foodstuffs). This morning, I caught this article by Michael Hughlett at the Trib's web site:

Michael Hughlett at the Chicago Tribune wrote:
While prices may still seem painfully high in the supermarket aisles, long-suffering consumers are beginning to see a break in their grocery bills—a bit of good news amid economic gloom.

Falling raw material costs coupled with a feeble economy have curbed soaring food inflation in recent months. Food prices fell on a month-to-month basis in February for the first time since April 2006.

Last year, food and beverage prices rose 5.4 percent as calculated by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the largest annual jump since 1990, because of a big run-up in commodity and energy costs.

But as the global economy tanked in late 2008, prices for oil, corn, wheat and soybeans fell. Those declines, after a predictable lag, are filtering down to grocery shelves, said Ephraim Leibtag, a Department of Agriculture economist.

Food costs: Prices starting to get reined in

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Very interesting interview with David Chang on how he adjusts to the rising price of food:

Momofuku's Chang: Good Food Is About to Cost More


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