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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:11 am 
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I guess I take it back, then. I'm very surprised at that. I just assumed ... (I know. "You know what happens when you assume?" ...)


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 Post subject: Re: Kansas City Index
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:22 pm 
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Buddy, I can tell you how to do it.

Take a few pounds of fresh or frozen whole green beans (given the low quality of local beans *most* of the year, I prefer frozen), a couple of smoked ham hocks, and lots of water, and lightly simmer all day. You will achieve Kansas City church social/Mom's Sunday dinner/Stroud's green beans with tasty, smoky liquor. I've done it.

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 Post subject: Re: Kansas City Index
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:22 pm 
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I believe you!

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 Post subject: Re: Kansas City Index
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So, I tried Geo's "casual" (for lack of a better word) recipe tonight with mixed results. The whole thing started on a whim as I was shopping at the Shop & Save in Des Plaines. I noticed that they had Michigan green beans on sale but shrugged it off; not in the mood. But as I made my way through the store I came across the giant smoked turkey legs they stock from time to time. "Golly," I thought, "that giant smoked turkey leg sure looks inviting. But what can I do with it other than rip it from the bone caveman style and chow down?" And then I remembered the green beans and Geo's recipe calling for smoked ham hocks. Thinking this might make an interesting and tasty substitute, I grabbed the biggest turkey haunch I could find and raced up to the front of the store where they keep the produce. I grabbed about 3-4 lbs. of green beans, finished my shopping and headed home with a vague plan in mind.

I stripped the smoky, sweet/salty turkey meat from the bone, keeping it in big chunks, resembling the hunks of pork I saw in my mental picture of Stroud's green beans. I trimmed the beans and coarsely chopped a few medium onions, then threw them in a large stock pot with the turkey. Then I covered it all with--and here's where I think I made my first mistake; following literally Geo's instructions--lots of water. I mean, this was at least a six to one ratio of liquid to solid; greater even than what you would boil pasta in.

Second mistake, and I think I did this instinctively, based on the amount of water that was in the pot, was in starting out with very high heat so as to bring it to a boil with the intent to lower the heat to a simmer later in the process. The combination of these actions resulted in a much faster cook (a couple hours when I was expecting "all day") that produced a bean with the right texture (bordering on mush), but a very diluted flavor. In fact, upon tasting a straight chunk of the turkey, which had a very intense pre-cooked flavor, even it was almost flavorless.

Now, I'm not a total dummy. I figured out that most of the flavor was now in the likker. Trouble was, there was so much of it, even that flavor was diluted. So I drained the beans, reserved all the liquid, and spent several hours boiling it down to intensify the flavor. When it had reduced to about one fifth of its original volume I returned the likker to the fully cooked beans and they are now sitting overnight getting to know each other. I suspect tomorrow I will have Stroud's style green beans that have both the flavor and the texture I'm looking for.

Next time I make this dish, I will use my new found knowledge. There will be much less water to begin with ( I can always add more if I need it), and I'll start on a much lower fire, allowing it to come to temp more gradually.

Thank you Geo (sincerely, no snark) for a basic recipe that allowed me to learn from my mistakes. And for all you naysayers who doubt that Stroud's starts with fresh green beans, I can now tell you from personal experience that, when cooked properly, you can get a "Sunday dinner" quality green bean dish starting with raw, fresh green beans.

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 Post subject: Re: Kansas City Index
PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:59 am 
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Buddy,

I apologize for making my recipe way too casual: by "lots of water", I meant more like 2:1; I really should have been more precise. And yes, it does require a long, slow simmer. They're best by the end of the day. :wink:

The turkey legs were inspired, good move! And of course you're exactly right: the glory is in the likker.

I'm sure your next batch will be Stroud's+

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 Post subject: Re: Kansas City Index
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Scouring a state-straddling town for the tenderest, juiciest, finger-lickingest meat in the Midwest—this city more than holds its own against the South - from today's Wall Street Journal - http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... er_Rotator

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 Post subject: Re: Kansas City Index
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I'm proud to say I've eaten in all the places listed, except the two most outlying spots mentioned. The new place they mentioned, Burnt Ends Barbecue, is unknown to me, but I'll be checking it out at my earliest opportunity.

I'll be in KC for the American Royal Barbecue Cook-Off, Friday, September 30th and Saturday, October 1st. I'll be running the BBQ Sauce Store at the American Royal. The Sauce Store is a charitable venture stocked entirely with sauces, marinades, and rubs from manufacturers all over the country. All the product is donated by the manufacturers, and all proceeds go to local charities. If you're a Barbecue Sauce enthusiast, it is a dream come true; hundreds of sauces all in one spot, priced reasonably, and all the money you spend goes toward good causes. If you're coming in from out of town, you'll need to drive in because you'll never get on a return flight home with all that sauce.

BTW, regarding the Stroud's style bean recipe above, my instincts were correct. By returning the reduced likker to the beans, the flavor increased five fold, maybe even surpassing the flavor of the Stroud's model which inspired them.

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 Post subject: Re: Kansas City Index
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I keep hearing good things about Le Fou Frog so will make a point of checking it out next time I'm in KC.


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 Post subject: Re: Kansas City Index
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Went to Le Fou Frog this weekend. It was excellent. Highly recommended. Has a great atmosphere and great food.

Also stopped at Murray's Ice Cream in Westport (try to make it here on each trip to KC). I think this is the best ice cream shop I've ever been to in my life.


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 Post subject: Re: Kansas City Index
PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:51 am 
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Headed to KC on our annual family trip. Places we will hit for sure, Oklahoma Joes, Grinders, Los Corrals, Smoking Guns, Original Peanut, BB's Lawnside BBQ, Jackstack. New places will be Murrays Ice Cream Shop. Looking forward to floating in pool to kill the heat and eating....DB

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 Post subject: Re: Kansas City Index
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good grief, NOT Los Corrals!!! Go to the LTHforum/KC and see your options--there's excellent Mex now in KC. Trust me!

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:45 pm 
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My buddy from there says his family has been going for years swears by it!? The only place on my list I had not been to... Not looking for super authentic just going out with grandparents, a good margarita will help. Your favorite?

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 Post subject: Re: Kansas City Index
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It's an old-fashioned third-generation in KC style Mexican place. Your grandparents will probably like it. But the food is so bland and uninteresting that it isn't even "bad".

There are two really excellent taquerias in town: El Camino Real in downtown KCK and Tacos El Matador. Both of these places are The Real Thing: fresh, genuine ingredients, lovingly prepared.

We'll expect a full report when you get back! :)

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 Post subject: Re: Kansas City Index
PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:23 pm 
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Geo,

Thanks for recs. I am looking for a sit down Mexican joint with good chips and salsa, margaritas etc. the family is hardly adventurous ..... We are on the plaza. I will get my taqueria fix here in Chicago ! Thanks again. Danny

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:48 pm 
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OK, gotcha now. Here's exactly what you want: La Fonda el Taquito. Great margaritas, excellent chips, decent food, and, best of all for your needs, it's pretty nicely done up inside, i.e., it does NOT have the ambiance sought by us typical LTHers. :lol:

It's maybe seven minutes from The Plaza.

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That sounds great! Thanks a ton!

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 Post subject: Re: Kansas City Index
PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:09 pm 
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jhawk1 wrote:
Geo,

Thanks for recs. I am looking for a sit down Mexican joint with good chips and salsa, margaritas etc. the family is hardly adventurous ..... We are on the plaza. I will get my taqueria fix here in Chicago ! Thanks again. Danny


Hey. I'm in KC on the plaza right now. We're leaving in the AM. I'm planning on posting a report in a couple of days. I may try to pne of those Mexican places that Geo mentioned, but it's Strouds tonight.

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 Post subject: Re: Kansas City Index
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Hey Steve, wave at my house as you drive by Rainbow & 48th Terr! :)

Stroud's is such great fun: I miss it so much up here in Montréal, that I made Stroud's Famous Green Beans night before last to go with my grilled burgers. Yumm! BTW, if anyone in your party is in the mood, the fried catfish is pretty darn good.

Let us know if you try either of those taquerias--they're both worth a trip.

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 Post subject: Re: Kansas City Index
PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:18 pm 
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Geo wrote:
Hey Steve, wave at my house as you drive by Rainbow & 48th Terr! :)

Stroud's is such great fun: I miss it so much up here in Montréal, that I made Stroud's Famous Green Beans night before last to go with my grilled burgers. Yumm! BTW, if anyone in your party is in the mood, the fried catfish is pretty darn good.

Let us know if you try either of those taquerias--they're both worth a trip.

Geo


No worries Geo. We'll be in Montreal in August.

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a cool article on Local Pig...
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/dinin ... l?hp&_r=1&


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