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  • Post #61 - March 24th, 2020, 10:57 am
    Post #61 - March 24th, 2020, 10:57 am Post #61 - March 24th, 2020, 10:57 am
    Unfortunately Korin has been deemed non essential and their store/warehouse is closed. Guess I'll have to wait to become a sharpening expert.
  • Post #62 - March 24th, 2020, 11:23 am
    Post #62 - March 24th, 2020, 11:23 am Post #62 - March 24th, 2020, 11:23 am
    WhyBeeSea wrote:Unfortunately Korin has been deemed non essential and their store/warehouse is closed. Guess I'll have to wait to become a sharpening expert.

    You can buy the King 1000/6000 grit on Amazon for $31.99. A good dual sided stone with which to start.
    Link
    One minute to Wapner.
    Raymond Babbitt

    Low & Slow
  • Post #63 - March 24th, 2020, 11:26 am
    Post #63 - March 24th, 2020, 11:26 am Post #63 - March 24th, 2020, 11:26 am
    WhyBeeSea wrote:Unfortunately Korin has been deemed non essential and their store/warehouse is closed. Guess I'll have to wait to become a sharpening expert.

    Well, that explains why Vincent finally had time to sharpen his own knife. :lol:

    The good news is that there are plenty of stones at chefknivestogo.com, and they are definitely open for business. IMO, there's no better company out there for these sorts of items. It's where I pretty much get all my knives and cutlery supplies. Tell Mark and Sue that Ronnie says hi! :)

    CKTG Sharpening Stones

    =R=
    There are many things that are legal that are not a great idea --Nick Shabazz

    Every human interaction is an opportunity for disappointment --RS

    There's a horse loose in a hospital --JM

    That don't impress me much --Shania Twain
  • Post #64 - March 24th, 2020, 11:39 am
    Post #64 - March 24th, 2020, 11:39 am Post #64 - March 24th, 2020, 11:39 am
    Thanks all. I ended up buying a 1000/6000 dual stone on Amazon (the king one wasn't available til late April).

    I'm thinking I'll practice with this one on some of my lesser used knives and go from there.

    Eventually I wanna be able to sharpen the Misono carbon steel at home. I cut lefty so I'll be doing some research to make sure I do that properly.
  • Post #65 - March 24th, 2020, 11:56 am
    Post #65 - March 24th, 2020, 11:56 am Post #65 - March 24th, 2020, 11:56 am
    WhyBeeSea wrote:Thanks all. I ended up buying a 1000/6000 dual stone on Amazon (the king one wasn't available til late April).

    I'm thinking I'll practice with this one on some of my lesser used knives and go from there.

    Eventually I wanna be able to sharpen the Misono carbon steel at home. I cut lefty so I'll be doing some research to make sure I do that properly.

    If you don't want to wait, I strongly suggest checking out CKTG (I'm sure you can still cancel your Amazon order). You'll likely have your order by the end of the week. They've sent their crew home but per a post from earlier today, Mark and Sue, the owners, are there themselves packing and shipping orders. And if you have questions, you can call or email them. They're extraordinarily helpful. They have great inventory. Their prices are awesome and they offer free shipping on orders over $60.

    =R=
    There are many things that are legal that are not a great idea --Nick Shabazz

    Every human interaction is an opportunity for disappointment --RS

    There's a horse loose in a hospital --JM

    That don't impress me much --Shania Twain
  • Post #66 - March 24th, 2020, 3:33 pm
    Post #66 - March 24th, 2020, 3:33 pm Post #66 - March 24th, 2020, 3:33 pm
    ronnie_suburban wrote:
    WhyBeeSea wrote:Thanks all. I ended up buying a 1000/6000 dual stone on Amazon (the king one wasn't available til late April).

    I'm thinking I'll practice with this one on some of my lesser used knives and go from there.

    Eventually I wanna be able to sharpen the Misono carbon steel at home. I cut lefty so I'll be doing some research to make sure I do that properly.

    If you don't want to wait, I strongly suggest checking out CKTG (I'm sure you can still cancel your Amazon order). You'll likely have your order by the end of the week. They've sent their crew home but per a post from earlier today, Mark and Sue, the owners, are there themselves packing and shipping orders. And if you have questions, you can call or email them. They're extraordinarily helpful. They have great inventory. Their prices are awesome and they offer free shipping on orders over $60.

    =R=


    Done and done!
  • Post #67 - March 24th, 2020, 3:40 pm
    Post #67 - March 24th, 2020, 3:40 pm Post #67 - March 24th, 2020, 3:40 pm
    Ended up ordering the imanshi 1000/6000 combo and a universal stone holder to get over the free shipping threshold
  • Post #68 - March 24th, 2020, 4:23 pm
    Post #68 - March 24th, 2020, 4:23 pm Post #68 - March 24th, 2020, 4:23 pm
    WhyBeeSea wrote:Ended up ordering the imanshi 1000/6000 combo and a universal stone holder to get over the free shipping threshold

    Excellent. As so many knowledgeable people recommend, master the 1000 and the rest will follow. In practical terms, as long as your knives are not damaged, the 1k should be enough to restore their edges really nicely. From there, the 6k will be a big jump but it should help you attain a nice fine edge with some polish to it. After that, if needed, you can strop it on anything from an old belt to denim.

    Looking forward to hearing how it goes. Be sure to test the knife on some paper before you sharpen it, so you can see how well the sharpening went.

    =R=
    There are many things that are legal that are not a great idea --Nick Shabazz

    Every human interaction is an opportunity for disappointment --RS

    There's a horse loose in a hospital --JM

    That don't impress me much --Shania Twain
  • Post #69 - March 25th, 2020, 6:09 am
    Post #69 - March 25th, 2020, 6:09 am Post #69 - March 25th, 2020, 6:09 am
    Ronnie,

    How are you keeping the angle of the knife to the stone the same? I never found a guide that seemed to work, like there are for chisels, and freehand was always at best average for me.
  • Post #70 - March 26th, 2020, 1:10 pm
    Post #70 - March 26th, 2020, 1:10 pm Post #70 - March 26th, 2020, 1:10 pm
    As someone- who knows a thing or two about
    Grinding, Polishing and Cutting STEEL,
    ya'd think :? I would be the type to sharpen my own blades.

    You know, just because I "know-how-to-sew",
    doesn't mean I can't use The Korean Dry-Cleaner-Lady
    to mend something
    for me and charge me $5.00- or $10.00
    for it- right?

    Well- from now on- I am going to ONLY Sharpen my own blades.
    Why?
    ImageOversharpened by R. Kramer, on Flickr

    At the risk of sounding catty- and demeaning- I will only say- that a certain place on Lake Street- will no longer be seeing me- as a Customer for Sharpening.

    Here's what my Pocket Knife- my Every-Day-Carry looks like-
    compared to how it should look.
    ImageWhat happens when you don’t sharpen your own Knives > and Trusted a Cutlery Store in Chicago to grind-The-Shit-outta-one’s-Every-Day-Carry by R. Kramer, on Flickr

    Whetstones HERE I COME!
    No more- Visits to "The Butcher-of-Lake-Street".
  • Post #71 - March 26th, 2020, 1:29 pm
    Post #71 - March 26th, 2020, 1:29 pm Post #71 - March 26th, 2020, 1:29 pm
    Hombre de Acero wrote:What happens when you don’t sharpen your own Knives > and Trusted a Cutlery Store in Chicago to grind-The-Shit-outta-one’s-Every-Day-Carry.

    Man of Steel, that pic looks like it was machine ground, similar to Cozzini or Superior and their once a week restaurant knife exchange programs.

    I've been a customer of Northwestern Cutlery, who I'd guess you are talking about, for three decades and have never seen a commercial grinding machine there. I used Superior for years, have been in the Cozzini warehouse/workshop a few times, they are near my house, and am familiar with the type of sharpening shown.

    I don't doubt your experience, but that sure as hell foretells a major sea change for Northwestern Cutlery.
    One minute to Wapner.
    Raymond Babbitt

    Low & Slow
  • Post #72 - March 26th, 2020, 3:13 pm
    Post #72 - March 26th, 2020, 3:13 pm Post #72 - March 26th, 2020, 3:13 pm
    that pic looks like it was machine ground, similar to Cozzini or Superior and their once a week restaurant knife exchange programs.
    I've been a customer of Northwestern Cutlery, who I'd guess you are talking about, for three decades and have never seen a commercial grinding machine there.


    So- all Cutlery Stores like Northwestern use machines.
    Be it a rotating-Vertical-Grinding stone, or a Sanding Belt-Sander- it's all- "machines"- that they'll use- be it at- Northwestern Cutlery or Cozzinni (who my buddy's Metal-Shop makes/& repairs their Grinding-Machines, for)
    Point being- it's the human- who interfaces with that machine, that makes the difference. The person who took off to much- wasn't paying as close attention to his work, as he shoulda- IMHO.
    Point- being......they've lost their Building- the entire blocks been sold to Developers (at least that was what I was told- before The COVID-19-Market-Debacle) They'd looked to move still in Chicago- but won't be in that location for long- The Neighborhoods gotten too valuable around them, and I will learn to Zen-Out-With-a-Whetstone.

    I figure- if I can figure out- how to create a finish like this-
    in Steel......

    Imagedetail :: Hammered texture inset into steel frame-Demi-Lune Console © Randall KRAMER-2015 by R. Kramer, on Flickr

    I can learn to Master-A-Whetstone. 8)
  • Post #73 - March 26th, 2020, 3:53 pm
    Post #73 - March 26th, 2020, 3:53 pm Post #73 - March 26th, 2020, 3:53 pm
    Hombre de Acero wrote:I can learn to Master-A-Whetstone. 8)

    No doubt, no doubt in the least.

    I was not clear about what I meant by machine. Sure, of course, NW Cutlery uses a grinding wheel, belt sander, plus whetstones but there is a high degree of human interaction. Cozzini etc use a "machine" where you simply slide the knife in and the machine sets an edge in about 4-seconds, something like pictured below. A culinary comparison would be a pizza from a quality pizza joint vs frozen popped into a microwave.

    Sharpen2.jpg Sharpening "machine"


    I heard NW Cutlery was moving as well, it saddens, and surprises, me that they are in dial-in mode. I hope it was simply a one-off.

    Far as sharpening, I'm decent but still like a professional to touch up my working knives once a year or so. Also, if NW Cutlery has truly shit-the-bed, there is always Exact Blade.

    Exact Blade
    813 Waukegan Rd
    Northbrook, IL 60062
    847-920-7349
    https://exactblade.com/
    One minute to Wapner.
    Raymond Babbitt

    Low & Slow
  • Post #74 - March 26th, 2020, 6:21 pm
    Post #74 - March 26th, 2020, 6:21 pm Post #74 - March 26th, 2020, 6:21 pm
    I haven't been there for about 3 months, but I am still extremely happy with Exact Blade

    They also sell some really nice quality knives, 2 of which I have bought.
  • Post #75 - March 26th, 2020, 6:48 pm
    Post #75 - March 26th, 2020, 6:48 pm Post #75 - March 26th, 2020, 6:48 pm
    Got my stone from CKTG today so I'll start messing around it this weekend.

    Not sure how, but Korin has shipped the original stones I ordered, so I guess I'll a few different ones to play with!
  • Post #76 - March 26th, 2020, 9:09 pm
    Post #76 - March 26th, 2020, 9:09 pm Post #76 - March 26th, 2020, 9:09 pm
    WhyBeeSea wrote:Got my stone from CKTG today so I'll start messing around it this weekend.

    Not sure how, but Korin has shipped the original stones I ordered, so I guess I'll a few different ones to play with!

    Very exciting, at least it is to me! :D

    =R=
    There are many things that are legal that are not a great idea --Nick Shabazz

    Every human interaction is an opportunity for disappointment --RS

    There's a horse loose in a hospital --JM

    That don't impress me much --Shania Twain
  • Post #77 - Yesterday, 2:43 pm
    Post #77 - Yesterday, 2:43 pm Post #77 - Yesterday, 2:43 pm
    With the virus-induced downtime, Vincent at Korin has been uploading some phenomenally informative videos over at youtube. In his latest, he concisely details some of the key attributes of certain stones, including the best explanation I've seen to date about the difference between synthetic stones and natural stones (the latter of which, I own none). Still, from way down here in the rabbit hole, this was truly a delight to watch . . .


    Lets talk about sharpening stones!

    =R=
    There are many things that are legal that are not a great idea --Nick Shabazz

    Every human interaction is an opportunity for disappointment --RS

    There's a horse loose in a hospital --JM

    That don't impress me much --Shania Twain

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