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  • Post #121 - November 30th, 2020, 7:41 pm
    Post #121 - November 30th, 2020, 7:41 pm Post #121 - November 30th, 2020, 7:41 pm
    Rene G wrote:
    ronnie_suburban wrote:
    JoelF wrote:
    jlawrence01 wrote:Given that the low-end consumer is used to consuming fish sticks that consist of minced fish, I cannot believe that there hasn't been more of an effort to produce fish sticks made of Asian carp. That would help to bring it under control.

    It's a bony fish, I don't know if industrial processes to harvest meat from carp would be possible. It sounds like Dirk's methods are a little heavy on manual labor. If nothing else, it needs a better branding than Asian Carp.

    Was going to say about the same thing . . . if there were a way for it to be profitable on a scaled-up basis, someone would be doing it already.

    Happily, not all businesses think like this. From what I understand, a major problem in Illinois has been too few processing facilities with river access so fishermen can easily drop off their catch. In the last couple years, over ten independent fishing crews banded together as the Midwest Fish Co-op, with Clint Carter as president. At the same time, a number of new processors have become active (or are being established). I believe the fish for the Asian Carp Challenge came from Sorce Enterprises in East Peoria, which recently expanded their riverside carp facility with the aim of processing 15 million pounds a year. It sounds like a similar facility, Colgan Carp Solutions, is planned for North Peoria. It will be interesting to see how these projects proceed. There's certainly plenty of raw product.

    Interesting. Developing the infrastructure and technology to process these fish hardly seems insurmountable, though without it being profitable, it likely won't be sustainable. Who knows? Maybe someday the primary concern will be that the Asian carp are overfished!

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  • Post #122 - November 30th, 2020, 9:36 pm
    Post #122 - November 30th, 2020, 9:36 pm Post #122 - November 30th, 2020, 9:36 pm
    ronnie_suburban wrote:Who knows? Maybe someday the primary concern will be that the Asian carp are overfished!

    =R=

    The end result they dream about!
    Cathy2

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  • Post #123 - December 14th, 2020, 1:55 pm
    Post #123 - December 14th, 2020, 1:55 pm Post #123 - December 14th, 2020, 1:55 pm
    Hi,

    I am waiting for some key ingredients before I make the dish you may be impressed.

    Meanwhile, I made an Asian Carp and Corn Chowder.

    Sharon Joyce wrote a book on Culinary History of Downeast Maine. In her book is a recipe for Chowder, which is largely emulated here, except there is no garlic and I did not add thyme.

    For my version today, it was half-pound of Asian Carp and perhaps 1-1/2 cups of frozen corn. The fish was packed fresh enough, there are no off-putting strong fishy odors.

    Regards,
    Cathy2
    Cathy2

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  • Post #124 - January 4th, 2021, 3:10 pm
    Post #124 - January 4th, 2021, 3:10 pm Post #124 - January 4th, 2021, 3:10 pm
    HI,

    The dish I have been hoping to make since receiving the Asian Carp, I finally made today: Hor Mok (ห่อหมก) - Thai Curried Fish Custard and The Principles of Thai Cookery by Chef McDang. I believe I saw this linked elsewhere by Gwiv.

    I made a half-recipe using Asian Carp. I would have made these earlier, though it took a while to get to a Thai market in Chicago for the Thai Basil and Lime leaves. I did briefly consider making banana leaf containers. My success with craft projects suggested ramekins were a better way to go.

    This is a layered dish with the bottom covered with Thai basil, then half of the Asian carp, fish mousse, coconut cream topped with slivered lime leaves. The Thai basil leaves contributed enough scent and flavor, I did not miss the banana leaves. I'm sure the banana leaves would have made their own contribution.

    Since these only needed ten minutes to steam, I improvised a steamer using my casteiron grill resting the ramekins just on top of the grid and topping with my Dutch oven lid. After 10 minutes, I checked their temperature at just over 175 degrees, exactly when custard is finished.

    I suggested to my family to dig into the dish to obtain all the layers at once. One went layer-by-layer, then dug in the second time around. I thoroughly enjoyed this dish and will make it again.

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    Half-recipe yielded six ramekins.

    I missed this dish and was glad to enjoy it once more.

    Regards,
    Cathy2
    Cathy2

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  • Post #125 - January 4th, 2021, 10:14 pm
    Post #125 - January 4th, 2021, 10:14 pm Post #125 - January 4th, 2021, 10:14 pm
    So what does Asian carp taste like? Is it fish or mild? Is it comparable to anything else?
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  • Post #126 - January 5th, 2021, 10:32 am
    Post #126 - January 5th, 2021, 10:32 am Post #126 - January 5th, 2021, 10:32 am
    Cynthia wrote:So what does Asian carp taste like? Is it fish or mild? Is it comparable to anything else?

    Very mild, at least the batch in my possession, so it takes on whatever flavor you offer it.

    The bucket I was given is chopped boneless and skinless fish. It's the high density of bones that discourages people from using it. I did see a short film where they felt Americans were unwilling to deal with bones, though Asian cultures did not quible as much. This Asian Carp is exported to Asia and sold domestically for dog food production.

    The dream is to find it on people's dinner tables and eat it out of existence. Presently, they can harvest a million pounds of month from Illinois rivers. In one video, a fisherman stated these fish are smaller now than when they were first encountered years ago.

    This is an Eater produced video on Asian Carp. I bumped into it when seeking clips of the jumping fish to show my family.

    Cathy2

    "You'll be remembered long after you're dead if you make good gravy, mashed potatoes and biscuits." -- Nathalie Dupree
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  • Post #127 - January 5th, 2021, 2:15 pm
    Post #127 - January 5th, 2021, 2:15 pm Post #127 - January 5th, 2021, 2:15 pm
    Northern Pike also gets a bad rap for being hard to filet because of the bones. One way people deal with this is to pickle the Pike. The small bones essentially dissolve in the pickling process. Might that work for Asian Carp?

    https://www.outdoorlife.com/recipe-how- ... hern-pike/
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  • Post #128 - January 5th, 2021, 4:32 pm
    Post #128 - January 5th, 2021, 4:32 pm Post #128 - January 5th, 2021, 4:32 pm
    Hi,

    This could certainly work with the vinegar dissolving the bones.

    If I ever get some boney filets, I will give a try.

    Regards,
    Cathy2
    Cathy2

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  • Post #129 - January 5th, 2021, 5:49 pm
    Post #129 - January 5th, 2021, 5:49 pm Post #129 - January 5th, 2021, 5:49 pm
    Thanks for the video, C2. Fascinating -- and, as is true when one has too much of anything, a little scary.
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  • Post #130 - February 12th, 2021, 8:28 pm
    Post #130 - February 12th, 2021, 8:28 pm Post #130 - February 12th, 2021, 8:28 pm
    Invasive 'Asian Carp' Will Get a New Name So Americans Will Eat Them.
    https://www.foodandwine.com/news/asian- ... d-new-name
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  • Post #131 - February 17th, 2021, 2:30 pm
    Post #131 - February 17th, 2021, 2:30 pm Post #131 - February 17th, 2021, 2:30 pm
    Hi,

    I made Thai Asian Carp Curry for lunch using a portion of Chinese eggplant, asparagus stems, green pepper, ginger, lime leaves, Thai basil, brown sugar, fish sauce, coconut milk and red curry paste.

    Since the fish was so finely minced, it was the last addition to the curry.

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    Regards,
    Cathy2
    Cathy2

    "You'll be remembered long after you're dead if you make good gravy, mashed potatoes and biscuits." -- Nathalie Dupree
    Facebook, Twitter, Greater Midwest Foodways, Road Food 2012: Podcast

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